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FiOS v. cable/DTV head to head

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Tugboat, Aug 8, 2007.

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  1. Tom Robertson

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    What are your Ka signals on your local spotbeam? I'm having zero rainfade problems after the installer fine-tuned the dish correctly. My Ka spotbeam is roughly 98 in the clear with several 100s on the Ku transponders on 101.

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  2. HDTVFanAtic

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    No, if you use 2,000,000 ST subs which (and I believe is number that includes commercial accounts) out of a population in the USA of roughly 310,000,000 it means that only 0.66% of the population must have out of market football.....so 99.33% do not need ST and are satified with sports via OTA, ESPN and RSN that they have access to - so yes, they do agree.
     
  3. msmith198025

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    "So to sum up again, FIOS will supply better pictures that are better 100% of the time (including their local area NFL teams) to 99.33% of the people in areas they serve and 0.66% of the people in those areas will keep worse quality pictures 100% of the time (including their local market NFL teams) so they can see out of market NFL teams."HDTVFanAtic


    You said 99.33% of the area the FIOS serves. And unless that 300 million moved to one or two states your math is still wrong. And if they did why dont the have more than 1 million subs?;)
     
  4. ansky

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    My local Ka spotbeam ranges from about 96 - 98.
     
  5. spartanstew

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    I must be lucky, or my installer did something stellar. In the 8 years we've had D*, we average no more than a handful of outages a year and the average outage is only for about 5 minutes. It's basically a non-issue for us.
     
  6. captain_video

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    Rain fade generally occurs only during a torrential downpour so unless you live along the gulf coast or other area prone to severe weather it shouldn't be much of an issue. I rarely see any rain fade in my area but it has been known to happen.

    On the topic of FIOS picture quality vs. DirecTV, my impression is that FIOS is far better than DirecTV on the existing mpeg2 channels. I have not had the opportunity to compare it to the newer mpeg4 channels but I hear it's much closer in quality. If you're a total sports nut then DTV will fulfill your wildest dreams.

    I'm interested in seeing what Comcast and Verizon do in response to DirecTV's introduction of the upcoming HD lineup. Comcast will be hard pressed to match what DTV can offer due to bandwidth limitations but FIOS should be able to match it pretty closely.

    If the current rumors are true and the new DTV owners do end up joining with Tivo again, then things are going to get very interesting.
     
  7. msmith198025

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    I live pretty close to the alabama gulf coast, and we get alot of rain, hardly ever get rain outs anymore. It has to be REALLY flooding and even then it doesnt last more than a minute or two. I had heard someone state about the rainx, which is why i brought it up here. It seemed to cure my problems.
     
  8. msmith198025

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    If im not mistaken the new contract that D* has with tivo is only to continue support of the older tivo boxes, not release any new ones.
     
  9. ansky

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    The Rainx thing is probably just coincidence. A couple weeks ago I started getting rain fade and was surprised when I looked outside and it wasn't even raining. So I checked the radar online and saw that there was a heavy storm about 10-15 miles southwest of my location (in the same direction the dish is pointed). The signal only went out for a couple minutes, but it is still annoying enough when it interrupts the middle of a show.
     
  10. msmith198025

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    yeah that used to be the best weather tip i had, but im glad those days are gone@
     
  11. HDTVFanAtic

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    And if you would bother listening to what I have tried to tell you about the numbers, as you did to the Rain-X post, you might find out that was correct as well.
     
  12. captain_video

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    That's absolutely true. What I'm referring to is the press releases indicating that the new owners of DirecTV seem very interested in rekindling a relationship with Tivo. Once Rupert Murdoch is out of the picture it's a whole new ballgame.
     
  13. msmith198025

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    Hmm, have to read up on that.
     
  14. msmith198025

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    Oh yeah, I didnt get the Rain-x idea from you.
     
  15. damjr

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    OK time for a little enlightenment. NFLST is a money loser for DTV. Somewhere around 15% of total subscribers have it. A far cry from your statement of "D is the only one that offers it and a large percentage of the customers are with them just for that reason, "worse PQ" and all." Each year after DTV's NFLST promo only 10-15% re-up the following year. Now I know you might see this math and say something like..................... if 10-15% re-up then the total subscribers would be higher, but you need to take into consideration churn, aka disconnects.
    In the beginning NFLST was a big part of their business and it did attract new customers, but in the past 3 years those #'s have dropped, which is why you will see DTV's new promo this year called either NFL or Movie deal. They have recognized the fact that almost all true, hardcore, NFL fans already have ST and to justify the high monthly price for their promo they're selling the idea of "it includes all of the premium movie channels".
     
  16. msmith198025

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    How can it be a money loser? Directv bid what $700,000,000 for the rights to broadcast it until 2010? With a subscriber base of approx. 2,000,000 going off of your 15% number at $269(best guess, i cant log into Direct website to check the price) a pop, thats $538,000,000 per year
    So within 2 years, they have recouped the cost of the bid, minus of course the cost to rebroadcast each year.
    My price may be wrong as soon as i can log in ill check
     
  17. cawgijoe

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    I've thought about FIOS TV....I currently have FIOS internet and have been with Directv since almost inception, but there are three things that stop me. My family is used to the Directv interface....change is bad........a friend of mine has FIOS and a similar TV set to mine, a 40" Sony XBR, I have a 34" Sony XBR, and I don't see any real difference in PQ plus he tells me that he misses Directv. And lastly, I'm waiting for all those glorious HD channels Directv has been promising.
     
  18. msmith198025

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    Ok did Directv bid $700,000,000 or $700,000,000 a year for sunday ticket? Just trying to clear it up for a previous post i had up above. Ive found infor that states both.
     
  19. MikeR

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    Per year. $3.5Billion for the 5 year deal


    http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Directv+bid+on+NFL&hl=en&um=1

     
  20. msmith198025

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    ahh, well then yes,barring behind the scenes things that we cant see or ripple effects from having the package for D* yes it is losing money on that package if only the price they are getting for it is taken into account. Id be curious how many of them are with D just for SUnday ticket though and what other package they have that might help offset it
    I just dont like giving out wrong numbers if i can help it.
     
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