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Discussion in 'DIRECTV - Coax Networking (private)' started by 66stang351, May 30, 2009.

  1. Spanky_Partain

    Spanky_Partain Active Member

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    MORE CORRECTIONS!
    Guess you could not hear what I was thinking when I brought your quote in. I forgot to say what it was! ;)

    Totally agree. A great choice of words, dongle. :)
     
  2. Sixto

    Sixto Well-Known Member

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    thanks Doug.

    just one hint ... :)

    will we be getting 1 physical device, or more then 1 per household? If more then 1, will they all be identical?

    we can then speculate away ...
     
  3. Spanky_Partain

    Spanky_Partain Active Member

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    I think you will get one device per STB. It may even be as simple as a modified BBC with a RJ45 connection coming out of it as well.

    EDIT
    I say simple, but mean simple looking! :lol:
     
  4. Sixto

    Sixto Well-Known Member

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    but then you'd also need another unit (enhanced SWM or SWM extension) to do the combining.
     
  5. dave29

    dave29 New Member

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    Yeah, I think there will be a main "combiner" and then a "separator" for each receiver.
     
  6. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    So the most probably solution is a network interface between the power inserter and the first splitter, and a device on each receiver that looks like a BBC with a cat5/6 cable and connector pigtail on it?
     
  7. Spanky_Partain

    Spanky_Partain Active Member

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    All the home network has to do is connect in on the MoCA which means a Uplink from an existing dual port STB or one more simple type device to uplink to the home network. There will need to be some rules involved so loopbacks are not put into the network.

    EDIT
    It should not matter where the home network comes into the picture. It can connect anywhere!
     
  8. Spanky_Partain

    Spanky_Partain Active Member

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    This is certainly a one posibility!
     
  9. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    Someone has it right ..
     
  10. Sixto

    Sixto Well-Known Member

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    Tease ... :)

    I had always thought that simple SWM-MRV with no additional hardware (besides an enhanced SWM) was preferable but we always had the 2-way tuner coax issue (until new receivers arrive).

    So I guess creating a network over coax provides more flexibility, with one combiner and then a device at each receiver. Then in the future the receiver could have the split built in.

    Seems logical and flexible.

    Personally, I already have hard-wire ethernet to each of the 6 receivers already, but more then happy to test this out.
     
  11. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Now this is where there is [for me] the most doubt/questions.
    The STB/dongle seems fairly straight forward.

    Using the 800-900 MHz range also seems most likely, "but" this has a couple of issues I see:
    1. This is in/near the band used by many other devices
    2. High level signals are going to have leakage/interference problems along with the second harmonic being problematic to the SAT feed tuners.
    Not using the currently used MoCA high levels will solve the leakage/harmonic issues, but then have issues going through splitters. I'm using more than one splitter, in my system, so going output to output will mean 30-40+ dB losses between STBs. Other systems may have more splitters, since SWM is for using existing wiring.
    The SWM comm signal [2.3 MHz] is shared from all of the STBs and the SWM.
    MoCA, if being solely a "peer to peer" setup [only STBs] would use a common frequency [similar to the 2.3 MHz, but 800-900MHz], which could have a "combiner" added across the splitter outputs, OR this "combiner" would need to be a translator, where it mounts ahead of the first splitter [dish/SWM to first splitter] and would need to change the downstream signal [frequency] from the upstream coming from the STB/dongles. SWM8s would need to use only one output in this "plan".
    Cost is always a governing factor. If the "translator" can be cheap, it can be added into future SWM production/designs.
     
  12. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Somebody's been hangin out with Tibbs too long...:lol:

    Tease indeed.

    If it's still gonna be 2-3 weeks, perhaps with a little more teasing hints, we can at least plan a bit for the day the FedEx guy shows up. :D

    Figures....I'm not traveling for 17 days now, and then go back to my ritual of work travel right about the time this new wonderful gadget shows up...
     
  13. 66stang351

    66stang351 New Member

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    Ready...set...wait...
     
  14. dave29

    dave29 New Member

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    Has it been 3 weeks yet? lol
     
  15. dettxw

    dettxw MRVing

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    Hurry up and wait. :sleeping:
     
  16. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Id guess they probably would have to actually get MRV to work from DVR to DVR for a couple CE's before we would even be able to try it out anyway. I was just half thinking to myself Saturday that our little experimental box(es) may be the reason the last CE's MRV quit working. Perhaps they added the code for it?
     
  17. Zepes

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    That would explain the '[coax] Network Down' messages, eh?
    :grin:
     
  18. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    I've trained him well. :)
     
  19. Spanky_Partain

    Spanky_Partain Active Member

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    I guess my question(s) would be:

    !. Are there any settings that will be settable/tunable by the user on the up-link equipment from the MoCA to the internet?
    2. Will it show statistics?
    3. If any of these are yes, will it be a web base front end, ie http://192.168.1.245?

    Here is what I think the answers will be!
    1. Yes, Static IP settings and admin password
    2. Yes
    3. Yes

    I think it will look a lot like an Access Point as far as the web interface.

    I was also wondering if it would have any DHCP capabilities but since the requirement for the testing is to have Broadband Internet Connectivity, then it will most likely not be trying to make it's own home network with home router/gateway type functions/applications.

    I think they are engineering a "Joe" type setup for the plug-n-play hook-up.

    EDIT
    I know, you'll are saying "Man Spanky sure is full of it!". :lol:
     
  20. 66stang351

    66stang351 New Member

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    Full of something anyway...not sure if 'it' is the something...
     

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