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Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Msguy, Oct 24, 2010.

  1. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    I can't stand the buy a championship argument. What should teams who make and have money do with it? Pocket it all? Then, they're labeled tightwads & the team stinks, ie the Pirates. Like Herm Edwards said, "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!" You must spend money to win...period. The Steinbrenners make a crap load of money & they spend it on fielding a team who's in contention every year...What's wrong with that?
     
  2. hdtvfan0001

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    That's OK...but most people do - it led to the concept of a salary cap after years of abuse of the "old way of doing things". ;):D

    For many years, George Steinbrenner outspent the rest of the world exponentially to try to win championships. Yes, it gained him some higher-caliber talent that way, but it also led to an unfair advantage that took the "sport" out of sports. At times, that concept also failed miserably, to the delight of plenty of fans from other teams.

    Most professional sports today have a budgetary cap as to provide a competitive atmosphere, rather than someone with deep pockets overstepping everyone else with their wallet.

    If every participant team doesn't have at least something resembling an even chance to compete, its not sports anymore to many fans. That "parity" formula has now successfully worked in multiple sports for some time, allowing all sorts of "upsets" and "new teams" to win championships. Prior to that...there was more of a "win with your wallet" approach.
     
  3. sigma1914

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    Salary cap huh? How's that working in the NBA? Lakers payroll is so low! :rolleyes: The Heat payed pennies for James & Bosh. :lol: The Celtics are tightening their wallets! ;) How can those 3 even compete for a title with the Clippers, Pistons, or Raptors? ;)

    I guess the cap works in football...well, it's weird looking at this years salaries. The Raiders & Cowboys both stink, yet they're #1 & #2, respectively. Yet, the bottom 5 are pretty good this year...GB, Indy, NE, Balt, & KC.
    http://www.altiusdirectory.com/Sports/nfl-salaries.php
     
  4. hdtvfan0001

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    The NBA is much less experienced in tweaking the process - in fact - they have loopholes that allowed the whole LeBron debacle to happen.

    Yes - "the cap" works when done without alot of exceptions.
     
  5. Stewart Vernon

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    I agree. I do have teams in other sports I regularly root for... and it's nice when my favorite teams win... but it would get boring.

    I can only imagine mixed feeling in the years when the Yankees were piling them up... or UCLA in college basketball... or the Celtics in the NBA back in the day.

    Yeah, it's cool when your team wins... but when they win every year for several years... doesn't the mystery and anticipation go away? IF you feel like they are going to win every year and they actually do... where's the incentive to stay interested all season?
     
  6. tsmacro

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    I have to say that as a Yankees fan that started following the team in the late '70's that I didn't get bored of them winning all those series in mid to late 90's because it felt real good after years of taking crap (seems like there's more anti-Yankee fans than any other and they pretty much didn't win a thing from '80 to '95 so people were enjoying giving me grief way too much). So for a few years I got to return the favor. When the '00's came around and the Yanks sort of faded for a while again the only thing that bothered me was the Red Sox were winning and there's nothing worse than that! :lol: So for me it was nice to see a return to glory last year for the Yankees, on the other hand it didn't really break my heart to see Texas beat them and make it to their first World Series ever either. I mean when the playoffs started everyone was debating whether it would be the Yanks or the Rays I don't think anyone was really giving the Rangers a chance, so good for them!
     
  7. hdtvfan0001

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    I wonder if its just a coincidence that there are more folks vocal about disliking the Yankees and Cowboys than most other teams in sports...and those happened to have had the most storied ownership / big spending histories....hmmm... ;)
     
  8. sigma1914

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    In sports, people love or hate greatness and success. With sports, the victors get the attention. Crappy teams are one that no one cares about. No one hates the Detroit Lions because no one cares enough to hate them & they're never a threat. I don't think a single person hates the Pittsburgh Pirates, but tons hate the Steelers & Penguins.
     
  9. njblackberry

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    I began hating the Yankees in the 70s when they were dreadful..
     
  10. hdtvfan0001

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    Probably true for the most part...

    But...

    I can assure you I can find at least 2 people (both originally from Michigan) that hate the Lions....if only for their horrendous teams.... :D
     
  11. fluffybear

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    2 World Championships & 3 appearances in dreadful? The 80's on the other hand with a single appearance and loss is a whole different story..
     
  12. Stewart Vernon

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    Yep... in college basketball Duke has been a team that polarizes fans to love or hate them for a while now. UCLA had a similar love/hate thing back in the 1960s.

    I'm not a baseball follower so I have a hard time doing a proper analogy here... but in the NFL where I have more credentials :)... there are 32 teams. IF each team were to win just 1 championship it would take 32 years for that to happen for each team. Players don't play anywhere near that long on average, so most players are not going to win during their careers.

    Then when you throw in dynasty teams that win 2-3 or more in a 10 year period... and basically it's really hard to win if you're not one of the regularly good teams year-to-year.

    So it becomes really easy to hate a team that keeps winning because it means that your team is not likely to be winning anytime soon.
     
  13. Richierich

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    Thank God that the Yankees are Out!!!

    They spend way too much money on their organization. There should be Parity as in the NFL.

    With that much Payroll they should go to every World Series unless they just get Beat!!!
     
  14. sigma1914

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    I bet they pay as much as FSU payed their players from about 92-02.
     
  15. Richierich

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    Now Sigma you Must Explain that Remark. The only problem we have had is Free Shoes U which is because a couple of idiots took free merchandise.

    Hey all of these kids are poor and susceptible to bribes and freebies and being seduced by bad sports agents.

    Let's see a Parity in the Baseball Budget amonst teams and then we will see REAL BASEBALL COMPETITION!!!

    Simply by removing the ability to BUY a TEAM!!!
     
  16. sigma1914

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    It's called Felony State University for a reason.

    Show me a successful team over time who doesn't have high salaries.
     
  17. hdtvfan0001

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    The 69 Mets?
     
  18. Richierich

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    Hey now you are hitting below the belt.

    That is the University of Florida that you are referrring to. :lol:
     
  19. sigma1914

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    :lol:True as of the last few years.
     
  20. djlong

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    I have to grudgingly be 'ok' with the Yankees. After all, the Rangers bounced them out of the playoffs with 1/3 the salary.
     

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