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Foul Language

Discussion in 'The OT' started by SAEMike, Jun 30, 2004.

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  1. SAEMike

    SAEMike Banned User

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    Here is my simple request.

    Whether altered with a "*" or blatent, there has been a lot of foul language on this board recently. As civilized and educated adults who enjoy discussing and debating important issues of the day, it is important to do so in an adult and mature manner.

    I wish that people would find other, more acceptable methods of communicating their displeasure than using foul language. It is not only offensive to many, but it takes the focus off of the merits of your argument and places it upon the crude manner in which you choose to express your message.

    Thank you for your consideration.
     
  2. TNGTony

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    What the **** are you talking about? Are you trying to ******* control what stupid-*** people are teying to say. Are you one of those ******* government ******** trying to stifle people's right to say what they want when they want? ******-******* facist!

    :)

    I find it kind of ironic that in several other threads posters are berated by Mike for trying to "silence" other posters because of suggestions not too different from the one listed above. It's not that I don't agree with what is stated. It's the source of the message.

    From the forum rules (link at the top of the page):

    And if you don't like it, you can always look at the previous paragraph:

    See ya
    Tony
     
  3. SAEMike

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    I'm not trying to change the rules, nor am I trying to tell people what to do. Just my wish for a more friendly, positive and mature atmosphere, rather than feeling like a jr. high school yard.
     
  4. Geronimo

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    Perhaps though you can see why it struck some of us as odd. In the end though I agree profanity should be discouraged.
     
  5. SAEMike

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    I have never used profanity on these boards, so no, I can't imagine why it would strike anyone as odd for me to ask people to behave as adults.
     
  6. Chris Blount

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    I agree with you Mike. It would be nice to see less profanity but it seems to come with the territory wherever you go these days. I've also noticed that the "jr high school yard" mentality seems to never go away. I have yet to see any situation in life, either at work or play, that doesn't involve at least one person with a juvenile mentality.

    My son said it best, "High School is actually the place that prepares you for the real world." :)
     
  7. Redster

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    IMHO, I see nothing wrong with sh*t. I will give consideration to your request as it does seem to offend you and because I was always taught that people who swear just do not have a good vocabulary. On the other hand ... at times I am trying to be polite, the use of a** has kept me from really saying what I think. I feel we are all adults and if we choose to use the abbreviations (which are allowed in moderation) then we should be able to do so without fear of repercussions. It is a personal choice and my choice does not always agree with everyone else's.
     
  8. Geronimo

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    No one said that you used profanity. Please re read my post and Tony's.
     
  9. SAEMike

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    First of all, asking people to use civility and a vocabulary fitting a mature adult discussion is far different than trying to "silence" anybody.

    My comment was simply a request for mature debate rather than jr. high school level name calling and cursing. I did not suggest that anybody be sanctioned or banned for any reason. I simply expressed my wish that people could be more resourseful than to resort to words I'd expect from punk kids vandalizing the neighborhood.

    I believe in free speech, and I believe that everybody should speak their mind, whether I agree with it or not. When I'm working in the legislature I spend quite a bit of time defending the rights of those I don't agree with to freely express their opinion.
     
  10. Redster

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    I am aware of both posts and did not mean to imply that either of you implied I had. I am just stating my opinion that in some cases the strategic use of a * can be justified. I will agree that the language does get out of hand and a lot of times spelling/pronunciation is horrendus . I am trying to preserve my right to use * whenever I deem it necessary. With everything going on in the world, being overtaxed, divorce rates climbing, abortion rates climbing, murder, rape, drug use, pornograpy, politicians that have more bad to say than good. I am stating that I have a right to use * and will defend that right with my life . I gave our country 16 years,, I have earned the * right. :rolleyes:
     
  11. SAEMike

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    HA! I will not even get started on the spelling and grammar on this board.

    Secondly, I would never try to infringe on anybody's right to use an occasional profanity. In fact, I have on two different occasions written a profanity into a speech to give it stronger effect. (Both of these speeches were written for and audience of first year college students)

    Just would like to see it become less prevalant, that's all
     
  12. HappyGoLucky

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    Perhaps using some profanity makes one feel a bit better. Dick Cheney seems to think so, and Dubya says it's no big deal. So if it's good enough for the President and Vice President, who are you to quibble?
    :sure:
     
  13. Neutron

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    Let's not get into a flame war over this....

    It's like I see it with radio, if you don't like it, change the channel. In this case, change the topic.
     
  14. Nick

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    Happy, you took the obvious quip right out of my mouth.

    I second Mike's call for a lessening of the use of vulgarity, but being a realist, I know that there will always be those who, in the absence of vocabulary, and perhaps education, will resort to its use, not as a foil, but as a substitute for that which they do not possess.

    There was a time when I didn't use profanity, but, once again, times have changed and I am guilty of allowing the current norms of society and culture (or lack thereof) overtake and overwhelm my own tender sensibilities. My occasional use of vulgar language or variations thereof is limited to certain circumstances and situations. I never use vulgarities in public or in mixed company.

    As to its value, if any, in language, like seasoning is to food, vulgarity and profanity, if used at all, should be used with great moderation.

    For those of us who still try to retain a modicum of decorum, the danger is that frequent use of vulgar or profane language (do you know the difference?) can become habitual, thus be unthinkingly used in most inappropriate circumstances.

    For the record, I am offended by poor spelling, misuse of words, and the pervasive lack of grammar typically found in public forums, and I am not referring to so-called "typos". Although I am a 'touch' typist, I am not a perfect typist. But I take time to reread my writings before and after I submit my posts. Even though I am a good speller, I still use spellcheck regularly to catch typos and the occasional misspelled word I may have missed. But, a spellchecker will not catch words which are spelled correctly, but misused, such as "loose" instead of lose and "then", rather than than.

    Finally, the thing that amazes me is there are some who actually try to defend their poor spelling and grammar, as if to say it doesn't matter. It does matter, and what you say and how you say it says a great deal about you and how you are regarded by others.
     
  15. Selenna

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    great post Nick

    I don't guarantee that my musings are letter-perfect, but at least I make a valiant attempt.

    In a way, I don't mind the people who argue simply with name-calling and profanity... it means they make it to my "ignore any post by x" list that much quicker. ;)
     
  16. jonstad

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    Maybe I'm getting older, or just more curmudgeonly:alterhase, but I fully agree with Nick here. Spelling mistakes and poor grammer are much more bothersome to me. Unless I'm following the wrong threads, I find the use of profanity here to be minimal, and even then most often validly used to make a point, second to describe a third party(politician, pundit, celebrity, etc) but very rarely aimed at each other.

    I certainly THINK some profanities as I browse over some of the posts here.:new_cussi But simply railing profanities at someone shows a juvenile lack of imagination and is usually counterproductive. If you can't cut someone to shreds:kickbutt: without resorting to profanity, it's time for a refresher night courses in debate and verbal communication.

    BUT, while I view someone casually using profanity as merely angry and/or unimaginative, my gut impression of repeated misspellings, word and punctuation misuse(lose, loose), bad grammer and poor sentence structure indicates at best carelessness. At its worst, it's a sign of lack of, or poor education and/or sheer stupidity.
     
  17. HappyGoLucky

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    I've delved into some profanity in recent days, but not because that's all I can say or it is a regular part of my conversation. I've simply peppered a few choice ones in for the absurdity of it given recent quips from notable and powerful people. Now, in real life, frustrate me to a point or be around when I drop something or hit my finger or stub my toe and you'll probably get an earful that'll curdle your gravy. But in general conversation I rarely let a profane word pass my lips. :)
     
  18. RichW

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    I am guilty of saying "shucks", "darn" or "phooey" when I really mean swear words with similar alliteration. Even so, I have always wondered why these words are acceptable when they obviously are place holders for profane utterances. Isn't it the thought that counts, and not the actual language?
     
  19. James_F

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    I still don't see what the ****ing problem is?!
     
  20. sampatterson

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    Interesting, some want to define what a "mature adult" or an "educated" adult is based on grammar, spelling, use of profanity, or what they find "offensive".
     
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