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Fox is attacking the Hopper, Sling Adapter and Dish Anywhere now

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by dennispap, Feb 22, 2013.

  1. hilmar2k

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    Right, because so many people choose to watch commercials when given the choice.
     
  2. lparsons21

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    The default is to not autohop, you must enable it each and every time you watch a show that has that available. And that is what makes it no different than allowing for the skipping of ads that all DVRs will do.
     
  3. James Long

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    FOX is following the lead of CBS ... if you can't stop the technology in court, try to hide it from the world. I wonder if there are other products FOX has decided couldn't be advertised on their network?
     
  4. Stewart Vernon

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    All I'm saying is it makes no sense with their prime argument of why consumers want AutoHop.

    Dish and Charlie have said that viewers don't want to watch commercials, so he is giving them that option.

    So... why is Dish spending money on commercials to advertise their products? IF Dish doesn't think viewers want to watch commercials, it doesn't make sense to spend money on advertising... and it makes even less sense to be mad at FOX for not airing your Hopper commercial when you're trying to help your viewers skip ALL commercials on FOX stations.

    Like I said... either argument is fine by themselves... but Dish is trying to be simultaneously on both sides of the same issue.
     
  5. Jim5506

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    Stewart, your argument makes no sense.

    The Hopper commercials are for people who do not have the Hopper, not for those who are already using it.

    The Hopper commercials advertize another viewing option to the public, one that allows them to skip commercials only on a replay the next day, and only on OTA network stations.

    Would it be hypocritical of a TV channel to advertize on radio.

    There's no hypocracy here, just enterprise.

    What the networks need top do here is get together with Neilson and get DVR'd programming replays somehow added to their demographic, so they can not only claim the initial watchers but also theose who watch their programming multiple times with their DVR's.

    NAB, move into the 20th Century.
     
  6. James Long

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    It seems pretty simple ... DISH doesn't want people to watch OTHER COMPANY's commercials. Or at least they support their customer's desire to not watch commercials once they have subscribed to DISH.

    It is not complicated. It is not hypocritical. DISH is in the position to offer a service people want ... so they are doing it. If they were refusing to offer the Hopper service out of fear that people would skip DISH ads that would be bad.
     
  7. GrumpyBear

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    I guess the next thing Fox will want is for the FFWD button on all DVR's deactivated. Seriously, who here, doesn't just hit the skip forward button now, when they sit down to watch a recorded show? All Dish has done, is save me from having to push the FFWD button, several times to skip commercials.
     
  8. strikes2k

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    Wat? :lol:
     
  9. strikes2k

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    Please, can you and Stewart quit saying this. DISH doesn't care if you watch commercials. Why would they? They just realize that most people don't want to watch them and have found a way to automate that. It's a competitive advantage if their counterparts in providing television service don't offer that option so they promote it. But to say that they don't want us watching commercials is completely wrong.
     
  10. James Long

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    They don't want people seeing commercials for Genie on DirecTV (or any other competitive service). The Hopper is a vast conspiracy to improve retention. Once customers get the Hopper from DISH they are prevented from seeing commercials from other providers. It is all a part of the vast conspiracy to ...

    Oh no ... I said too much. I hear helicopters. I think they're black (although at 1:37am color is hard to see). Tell my wife I love her! :rolleyes:

    PS: I'm sorry for not including a smilie in my previous post. :) Please pay more attention to the line after the one you bolded ... "Or at least they support their customer's desire to not watch commercials once they have subscribed to DISH." (emphasis added)
     
  11. joshjr

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    Did anyone else notice that when they announced the DISH driver they did not say he was drivng te DISH car? They said the family's name instead. The other guy in the same row with him had his car sponser announced. That is pretty low FOX!
     
  12. Hoosier205

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    Good for FOX. Dish is attacking a significant revenue stream, so game on.
     
  13. joshjr

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    Im not even a DISH customer and I think its pretty childish. You dont announce every other sponser except for the one you dont like Its a NASCAR race not a FOX race.
     
  14. Hoosier205

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    It's not nearly that simple. We are talking about two companies that are not even in direct competition with one another. Were talking about one company which is going out of their way to interfere with a revenue stream of another company. Not to mention that other providers have had access to this technology and have wisely chosen not to utilize it. Imagine that! Every other provider has chosen not to screw over the content providers that they must do business with.
     
  15. James Long

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    Other companies being to timid to use technology should not prohibit DISH from innovating. I will not be surprised that once the dust settles on the court cases and Hopper issue if the other companies come out with their own commercial skip feature ... and the die hard promoters of such other companies will be the first to laud adding the feature as being the right thing to do.
     
  16. dpeters11

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    Is it really a significant revenue stream? Yes, ads are but those with a DVR (whether it's a Hopper or not), generally don't watch commercials, except with the common exception of sports. Hopper users would be at least fast forwarding if not skipping commercials anyway.
     
  17. tampa8

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    You have just described being a leader, a pioneer. The networks have been screwing Satellite service since the beginning not to mention us. Chuck is not intimidated. In your scenario, there would be no DVR's, no skipping/fast forwarding. Lets not make them mad.
     
  18. tampa8

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    Exactly. It's reported elsewhere (I have no way to confirm) that Direct TV has the Hopper technology ready to go. The Movie industry finally got it after fighting so hard not to allow VHS/Betamax and changed their business plan to include releases of movies in various forms. It must have added billions to the industry. I have a large assortment of movies I would never have gone to see in theaters, or maybe even buy at full price, but did buy at what I thought was a more reasonable price sometime after release. All that money would have gone somewhere else.
     
  19. Hoosier205

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    DirecTV has had it for a long time and has chosen not to implement it for obvious reasons. Charlie has no concept of right and wrong...just what his massive team of lawyers can conspire to get away with on his behalf. He's ethically bankrupt. Nothing new there.
     
  20. AZ.

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    Guess its just more FOX being a, fair and balancing act ?

    Let the true colors shine through!!!!!
     

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