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Fox / Newscorp channels possibly suspended Nov. 1/Now resolved

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by Pepe Sylvia, Oct 20, 2011.

  1. Oct 22, 2011 #261 of 1258
    jdspencer

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    Hmmm, let me get this straight. Fox (and other networks) want more money from DirecTV so they can have their commercial supported programming carried by DirecTV. ??? I would think that if the networks want to get more eyes on those commercials (DVRs notwithstanding), then maybe they should pay DirecTV for the privilege of carrying their programming.
     
  2. Oct 22, 2011 #262 of 1258
    mhking

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    I'm really bummed about FX & NatGeo (Is NatGeo Wild part of this deal?), but FSN South and SportSouth?

    No Thrashers (grumble-grumble-NHL-BS-grumble); No Hawks (grumble-grumble-NBA-grumble); the only thing I'd miss is college football, but ESPN & CBS have all the SEC you can eat, and anything else I'll call up from ESPN3. [shrug]
     
  3. Oct 22, 2011 #263 of 1258
    mitchflorida

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    As Fox enters negotiations, its executives are keenly aware of the power they now wield. “People may love CNN,” says the source who’s worked at Fox and its competitors. “But if a cable provider dropped CNN . . . how many people would actually stop subscribing to cable? Maybe some. If you dropped Fox News, a third of your subscribers [would leave].”




    http://www.adweek.com/news/television/fox-news-revolution-135385?page=2
     
  4. Oct 22, 2011 #264 of 1258
    SPACEMAKER

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    What are the odds of us actually losing these channels for any period of time? Is there anyone among us qualified to make an educated guess?
     
  5. Oct 22, 2011 #265 of 1258
    SPACEMAKER

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    How many times do you need to be told that this has nothing to do with Fox News?
     
  6. Oct 22, 2011 #266 of 1258
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    Doesnt really work for sports that much. I dont watch any of the affected networks EXCEPT for Fox Sports North and one show on FX thats out of season at the moment (Wilfred). If this dispute didnt involve the sports channels, I wouldnt care at all. I'm well versed at getting my TV fix from the internet, its how I lived for several years before I got DirecTV. But what got me to get DirecTV in the first place was a desire to watch the Wild again after so long away. If that becomes an impossibility, then its no coice for me but to switch providers.

    Live sports are not nearly as pirateable as a sitcom or drama are. Live streams generally look absolutely terrible, and since Hockey is the sport that requires a detailed picture the most tob e able to follow it, it becomes pretty much unwatchable in a small, highly compressed, pixelated image.
     
  7. Oct 22, 2011 #267 of 1258
    Mike Bertelson

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    FOX News Channel Is not involved in this dispute.

    It includes these channels
    • FX
    • National Geographic Channel
    • Speed Channel
    • Fox Soccer Channel
    • Fox Movie Channel
    • Fox Deportes
    • FuelTV

    Again FOX BROADCAST CHANNELS AND FOX NEWS CHANNEL IS NOT INVOLVED IN THIS CARRIAGE DISPUTE...I'm just sayin' :grin:

    Mike
     
  8. Oct 22, 2011 #268 of 1258
    Laxguy

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    Nobody speaks for millions of other subscribers..... :nono2:.....
     
  9. Oct 22, 2011 #269 of 1258
    TANK

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    You might quit D* but I doubt millions will also quit.

    If you look at FNC ratings ( I only see at most 1 million viewers for prime time and maybe triple that for causal viewers during the day) and spread those viewers over all carriers- I doubt there are millions of loyal FNC viewers ready to leave D*.

    I'm sure that CSR's would be flooded with upset D* subs ,but would the subs really give up everything else D* provides them just because of a temp loss of FNC ?
     
  10. Oct 22, 2011 #270 of 1258
    Laxguy

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    Yeah? Then why are so many talkin' about it, huh? HUH????

    :D
     
  11. Oct 22, 2011 #271 of 1258
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    There is no doubt if you want to go by national ratings of channels, FNC being removed would be a major problem for D*. This isn't any kind of political commentary, the fact is that its ratings are #1 for any news channel by a wide margin. Thus, its removal would affect more viewers (since it has more viewers) than numerous other stations, and especially any other news channel, where it tends to double CNN and MSNBC's combined viewership in prime time. That's just the truth -- one that it seems some people here simply do not want to acknowledge.

    Along the same lines, this kind of discussion has become one of the weakest parts of DBSTalk. When AMC wasn't carried in HD, there was this defense mechanism that went off among some posters that it wasn't "that big a deal." Now with this discussion of "what if" FNC was going off, we're seeing the same thing. Not all channels have equal viewership guys. Primetime news ratings (not taken at 1am) are a big deal. You might not want to admit that FNC's ratings smoke the competition, but it's the truth. There's a big difference between, say, the O'Reilly Factor getting an average of 3 million viewers at 8pm at night -- and, say, Keith Olbermann's show on Current, which drew 46,000 recently. Big difference. To pretend otherwise is just being ridiculous...and biased. (And those are just average nights -- if a major story is happening, cable news ratings go up big-time).

    If you want to talk about how many consumers are going to be affected, it's all about the numbers, not ideology. It is not hyperbole to say FNC being dropped would be a major issue for D* given the numbers.
     
  12. Oct 22, 2011 #272 of 1258
    lparsons21

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    With the history of the recent negotiations between Fox and some of these other providers, like Dish, the odds are pretty good that it will get contentious and we'll lose some channels long enough to notice and get very irritated.

    All of these ad supported content providers are having a difficult time making the money they want with just ads and are pushing harder and harder to get every bigger increases.

    Today it is Fox, tomorrow might be Disney/ESPN, and on and on. As each wins a portion of the increase they want and pushes the negotiating envelope ever further, it becomes painfully aware to me that increases in our bills won't stop or even slow down. And that will go on until they hit the tipping point when the majority of subscribers just say 'screw this' and cancel.
     
  13. Oct 22, 2011 #273 of 1258
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    The tipping point. That's kind of what I am fearing.
     
  14. Oct 22, 2011 #274 of 1258
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    But it's also irrelevant to this discussion.
     
  15. Oct 22, 2011 #275 of 1258
    zimm7778

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    I wouldn't be surprised if the time D* stands up to this is now. With sports leagues in lookouts, schools jumping conferences to make more money, and the general feeling of sports greed. If cable/sat can get its message out and show what the providers are doing they may very well gain public favor. It also helps up until recently, D* was never in any real public channel disputes other than versus. So this isn't Dish and TWC/BH who go public with every dispute, pull channels which sometimes become permanent, never lower the bill, and yet charge similar prices to their providers that don't go through this every few months.
     
  16. Oct 22, 2011 #276 of 1258
    zimm7778

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    If Directv drops NFL ST, I and BILLIONS of subs will cancel within 10 minutes of that decision!!!!!!!!!! Hey, this is just as relevant as this FNC being dropped stuff is.
     
  17. Oct 22, 2011 #277 of 1258
    Mike Bertelson

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    Because they aren't paying attention. :D

    The fact is there is no danger of losing the FOX News Channel. ;)

    Mike
     
  18. Oct 22, 2011 #278 of 1258
    lparsons21

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    While I would like to agree with you on this, I don't think D* will stand up for long because of subscriber pressure to get the darned channels back on. I know that I would like them to fight the good fight to help keep my bill down, all too many I feel will not notice that if the price to Fox goes up, their bill will too...

    Unfortunately all the cable/sat providers can't collude to set the price they pay, and I'm not sure I'd really want them to be able to do that. In order to stop this ever increasing spiral of up pricing, all the cable/sat providers would have had to be willing to let the channels go. The others didn't, D* won't either...
     
  19. Oct 22, 2011 #279 of 1258
    SPACEMAKER

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    But won't advertisers put pressure on content providers? Would they demand some sort of rate adjustment due to a substantial drop in the number of eyeballs viewing their ads?
     
  20. Oct 22, 2011 #280 of 1258
    lparsons21

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    I'm sure they will.

    I think the way it will play out is that D* will pull them for a short bit, the pricing offers will fly fast and furious, and a few days later, D* will pay more but less than Fox wanted, both will bray about how they 'held the line' and the channels will be back.

    Basically that is the way it has been playing out all this year for everyone but D*. Now it is D*'s turn... :(

    In then end, we'll have our Fox channels we want, and our bill will increase maybe a bit more next year than it would have anyway.
     

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