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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by steinmeg, Nov 16, 2007.

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  1. byron

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    i've been to quite a few bars that have really nice plasma tvs all over the place and they don't tune to the HD versions of games that I know are available to them in HD.

    i would agree though... the dolans are bad for tv viewers. they are just concerned with making a buck.
     
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  3. islesfan

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    I have already emailed the NHL over this. My argument is that the Dolans are keeping OTHER TEAMS off D* in HD. They own the Rangers, and they can do whatever they want with them (like the Flyers), but they DO NOT own the Isles or Devils. I have looked into this, and as best I can find, this is the only case where the owner of one team is able to keep rival teams off the air because he owns their broadcasts as well.

    I think even Ranger fans need to stress this point with the league.
     
  4. byron

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    thanks. i just live 10 blocks from the garden... i don't have plans to go to that specific game, but if i do... i'll shoot you a PM.
     
  5. NYSmoker

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    Lets all meet for the beer. I like beer. I work 6 blocks from MSG.
     
  6. ElVee

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    I'd like to see Rupert pull his HD content (Fox Business, FX, etc...) from Cablevision until Dolan gives up MSG/FSNY in HD.

    Ironic that Rupert owns most of the FSN's but Dolan owns FSNY.

    Another annoying thing - Those IO commercials touting Cablevision as the only place to see all 9 NY area teams in HD. I understand that they have the Knicks, Rangers, Isles and Devils. But to boast about having the Giants, Jets, Mets & Yankees? Come on!
     
  7. Steveknj

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    The Dolans pull this stunt anytime they have a property they want to "protect" They did it way back before they even OWNED MSG, when they wanted to move it off basic tier to protect Sportschannel which they owned. Then when they bought MSG, they fought with TW to keep MSG OFF Sports Tier. Then they fought with YES about where to put THAT channel on CV systems to protect MSG and FSNY from YES (and I believe they did the same with SNY).

    It's one of the reasons I believe that a PROVIDER should never own content. It's a conflict of interest.
     
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    mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.. beeeeeeer.
     
  9. bogie

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    Is that why all the Ranger Sabre games are blacked out?
     
  10. bogie

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    Yeah and they say nothing about the Liberty
     
  11. n3ntj

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    To where did you email the league? I've been looking for an email address and can find none. I did find an online email thing on the NHL's website, but I always get a software error when I hit SUBMIT. I would also like to email the league about the MSG issue. I am not an Islanders or Devils fan, but I will make sure I note this issue that Dolan is keeping those two teams off D* on MSG HD and FSN NY HD.
     
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    gbettman@nhl.com

    bdaily@nhl.com

    I know, it seems so simple...
     
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    What's the Liberty?
     
  14. bogie

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  15. bogie

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    The @WNBA team that owned by msg and plays in the garden They are a pro team.
     
  16. dbmaven

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    Rupert couldn't give a rat's slim backside - he's agreed to give up control of D* (in which News Corp owns about a 38% controlling interest) to Liberty Media, in exchange for the shares of News Corp that Liberty owns. This deal was expected to be done by now, but if I recall correctly they're saying either by the end of the year of shortly into 2008. He has no interest in hurting his "Fox" franchise in any way, shape or form.
     
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    Who is "B Daily"? It is a woman or man?.. just so I know how to address the letter.
     
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    I've been saying that for years.

    If the league and the players really cared about its fans they would have stepped in by now and gotten this problem solved. But then again they only care about getting the big buck$.
     
  19. islesfan

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    Bill Daily, league VP. He's the guy who deals with this kind of stuff anyway. He used to be league counsel. He's a pretty decent guy.
     
  20. n3ntj

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    Here is the email I just sent Mr. Daily and Mr. Bettman:

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    Hello Mr. Daily and Mr. Bettman:

    I have been a loyal fan of the NHL and the New York Rangers since the early 1980s. I remember when fans could watch Rangers games on USA Network back in the early 1980s, since Paramount owned the Rangers and USA Network at that time.

    I live in south central Pennsylvania area, well outside the New York metro area, so I subscribe to the NHL Center Ice package via DirecTV, and have done so since the late 1990s. I was a fan during the lean years for the Rangers and the Stanley Cup championship year of 1994 as well as through the lockout that crippled the sport.

    Recently, with the advent of High Definition TV (HDTV), hockey has found a great new medium for long time fans to continue to enjoy the game even more. HDTV also has the capability of helping attract new fans to hockey since the game really comes alive when you see it in HD. The reason I am writing deals with high definition hockey games available to the fans.

    My concern is that a few teams' owners prevent their fans from watching their teams' games in HD. I am specifically referring to the Dolan family which owns Cablevision as well as the New York Rangers and Madison Square Garden (MSG) Network. The Dolan family, in an attempt to limit fans from switching from their cable TV service to satellite TV (namely DirecTV and Dish Network), prevent satellite carriers from carrying MSG HD and FSN NY HD. These two Regional Sports Networks (RSNs) from the New York City area, carry the games of the New York Rangers, New York Islanders, and the New Jersey Devils locally as well as nationally via the NHL Center Ice package. The Dolan family does not own the Islanders or Devils, but through Cablevision, owns the TV rights (through MSG and FSN NY) of these two teams from the respective team owners.

    As you know, the NHL Center Ice package is available on many cable systems (via inDemand) as well as both DirecTV and Dish Network and is targeted to 'out of market' fans to watch their favorite NHL teams. Since I am not in the NY area, the only way for me to see Rangers games is via NHL Center Ice. Since the Dolan family prevents MSG HD and FSN NY HD carriage on satellite TV, satellite customers (DirecTV and Dish Network) in the NY area can not get HD hockey games of these 3 local teams, and fans across the USA and Canada can not see the HD hockey games of the Rangers, Islanders, or Devils via the NHL Center Ice package.

    Currently, only the standard definition games from MSG and FSN NY are available on DirecTV and Dish Network. Once you've watched a hockey game in HD, you realize how much of the game you are missing in a standard definition NHL broadcast.

    Since the Dolan family is playing hardball with DirecTV and Dish Network, the Dolan family essentially is holding the fans of the Rangers, Islanders, and Devils hostage by preventing carriage of MSG HD and FSN NY HD. While, I understand that it is not the NHL's place to tell business owners how to run their business, I do strongly believe it is in the NHL's best interests to investigate and discuss the issue with the Dolan family and Cablevision in order to help assist the owners to come to a carriage agreement with the broadcast carriers (namely DirecTV and Dish Network and the inDemand cable system) so the Rangers, Islanders, and Devils game are available in HD. There are no FCC or other governmental rules coming into play here, but rather the Dolan/Cablevision decision to simply not allow carriage of these two networks.

    The Cablevision/Dolan issue is not the only one in the NHL. As you probably know, Comcast Phily prevents carriage of the Flyers games on satellite (DirecTV and Dish Network) due to an FCC loophole in a law in the 1990s which, since Comcast provides the CSN Philly sports channel using only cable or fiber optic lines to distribute the CSN Phily feed to the local cable companies, legally allows prevention of carriage of that channel. With the Flyers, Rangers, Islanders, and Devils HD games being prevented from carriage on NHL Center Ice, that amounts to 80% of the NHL's Atlantic Division not able to be viewed in HD by fans in NY and across the USA and Canada. The only chance nationwide fans of the Rangers, Islanders, or Devils have of seeing HD games of their team is either if Versus or NHL Network (neither are part of NHL Center Ice) carries an HD game or if the game is a Sunday afternoon NBC game later in the season.

    The NHL hockey game is the product of the league, not the broadcaster. By allowing the team owners to limit availability of the HD NHL games to NHL fans via NHL Center Ice, I feel it can only hurt the sport of hockey and limit new fans who may otherwise be attracted to the sport by seeing it in HD. Again, I would ask the NHL to further investigate this issue so that fans of the Rangers, Islanders, and Devils can enjoy their teams in high definition.

    Thank you for your time and consideration.

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    I would encourage other fans of the Rangers, Islanders, or Devils (or hockey in general) to also write to Mr. Daily and Mr. Bettman. We need to explain that the NHL needs more control over their televised games and how encouraging HD games can help the sport grow by attracting new fans.
     
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