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GenieGo on rooted Android

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by mreaves53, Nov 22, 2013.

  1. peds48

    peds48 Genius. DBSTalk Club

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    It's not illegal to circumvent the GenieGo's root check "feature".

    I have a rooted phone and I live without the few apps that actively root check my phone. Thankfully, HBO Go, Showtime Anytime and Netflix all work just fine without circumventing anything.
    while jailbraking or rooting is not illegal, circumventing security features certainly is.


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  2. harsh

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    The GenieGo/nomad doesn't have a root check feature. That's done on the device side.

    Arriving at a workaround for root checking on the device more than likely involves illegal activities.
     
  3. dualsub2006

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    while jailbraking or rooting is not illegal, circumventing security features certainly is.


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    You're just wrong.

    If I have a rooted phone and want the GenieGo app on it, and I change settings on my phone to hide root so that I can install it, I've broken no law. None.

    If I use my rooted phone to then steal the stream, now I've broken a law.

    D* could say, rightly so that I violated their TOS and cancel my account, but I would not be in violation of any law anywhere just by sidestepping root check on my phone.

    I haven't bought a GenieGo because I can't use it on my rooted phone. Personal choice.
     
  4. dualsub2006

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    The GenieGo/nomad doesn't have a root check feature. That's done on the device side.

    Arriving at a workaround for root checking on the device more than likely involves illegal activities.
    The GenieGo Android app has root check built in. Masking root on my phone, using settings on my phone is not illegal. At all. Its just not.
     
  5. peds48

    peds48 Genius. DBSTalk Club

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    The GenieGo Android app has root check built in. Masking root on my phone, using settings on my phone is not illegal. At all. Its just not.
    just because you don't think it is, does not makes it so....


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  6. dualsub2006

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    just because you don't think it is, does not makes it so....


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    And just because someone thinks it is illegal (or might be) doesn't make it so.

    Just find the law and show it to me. I'm big enough to admit I'm wrong.
     
  7. dualsub2006

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    Let me be a little more specific here. The most common method to bypass root check on the device instead of modifying the app is to disable the super user binary. That's the app that grants su rights to apps.

    There are a number of ways to disable the su binary, the easiest being any of a number of Play Store apps that will do it for you.

    When you disable su, your phone is still rooted, but no apps that require root function, because the permission gateway is, in essence, gone.

    Find the law that says that temporarily disabling the super user binary, which kills root access on your phone so that an app that checks for the su binary to run is a crime.

    There are other exotic ways to mask root from apps, but the Poindexter requirements rise substantially, and only the true propeller heads venture off in that direction.

    The average user will use an app that disables su binary, and thereby disables all of the monkey business stuff that D* is trying to protect against.

    I'll await a link to the law.
     
  8. CCarncross

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    So it doesnt appear to work on rooted Android, now get over it...oh my what a travesty....there are some consequences to your actions. Take ownership, dont blame others.
     
  9. harsh

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    The ready availability of tools commonly used in committing crimes doesn't make them any less of a crime.

    You've made modifications to the phone software that is in violation of the phone software license.
     
  10. hdtvfan0001

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    So to review the comments:

    1) GenieGo is not designed to work on a rooted device.
    2) Users who attempt to use GenieGo on a rooted device do so at their own risk
    2) These policies will likely never change.
     
  11. Diana C

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    From Wikipedia:

    "The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law that implements two 1996 treaties of the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO). It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services intended to circumvent measures (commonly known as digital rights management or DRM) that control access to copyrighted works. It also criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, whether or not there is actual infringement of copyright itself." (emphasis added)

    So, the key question is: "Is the root check of the app an implentation of access control?" If it is, then defeating it is a crime under the DMCA whether or not you actually copy and distribute the content.

    Actually, I think the bigger issue is that the app isn't supported on MANY Android devices (like my HTC Droid). I side loaded the original and it works fine, except that it THINKS my non-rooted phone is rooted. So I side-loaded the apk that had the root check removed. Unfortunately, DirecTV has used non-standard characters in the filenames of the new version, making it much harder to defeat the root check in code. Since my phone is not rooted, "hiding su" won't work. As a result, I can't get the latest version to work at all.
     
  12. bobnielsen

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    My Nook Color, if not rooted, would only be able to download apps from Barnes & Noble and I seriously doubt that Genie Go is available there. By rooting the device I am able to run stock Android firmware (Jelly Bean), which gives me access to many more apps via Play Store. If Genie Go is still not available, I'm at least no worse off than if I hadn't rooted the tablet.
     
  13. mreaves53

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    What do you do if the Android device you by comes rooted. I have not tried to circumvent anything. I have a Mini PC Android stick that I use to stream content to my TV. Becuase the company that makes and sales this device choose to sale it rooted, I am blocked by D* to use technology that I pay for. Something about this doesn't seem quite right.
     
  14. CCarncross

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    You chose to buy the rooted device....
     
  15. harsh

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    ...more than likely knowing, up front, that the device was rooted.

    That DIRECTV delivers the software with root/jailbreak checking has been known for some time.

    That said, DIRECTV is not to blame for what your hardware vendor has offered you. DIRECTV has a fiduciary responsibility to protect the content that they deliver and rooting/jailbreaking threatens their ability.

    While DIRECTV's compatibility list is as stale as Easter pastries, it makes no promises about working with but a handful of devices so its not really appropriate to be indignant about the software not working with an obscure device. Disappointed, surely, but not indignant.
     
  16. peds48

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    Nothing wrong with that. your device is just not supported by DirecTV. this is no difference as a tablet or smartphone or OS not supported.
     
  17. Stuart Sweet

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    Let's be careful here. This site does not support any discussion of breaking the law OR of any thing which in spirit or in action violates DIRECTV's customer agreement.

    At this point I'll allow a theoretical discussion of rooting and as many complaints about it as you like, but if the discussion turns into a how-to or anything even remotely close, the thread will be closed and those involved will be infracted.

    I believe in free speech and I believe that an owned device is yours to do with as you please unless you break the law or a contract. We're not here to "rat you out" but we have our rules and ask that you obey them.
     
  18. peds48

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    is unfortunate that JB'ing and rooting have become synonyms of bad things. When JB'ing started, it have no wrong doing in mind. JB'ing started because some folks believed that their iPhones could do so much more that Apple was allowing, such as installing custom wallpapers, backgrounding and more personalization. unfortunately, JB breaks the security built in the OS and this is where some folks (Devs?) took advantage and started doing "wrongful" things, such as not having to pay for apps, or IAP among other things. The "openness"of the system meant that no overseeing is/was possible for fear it will turned in to a "wall garden" Apple app store.

    Since now operating systems are more up to par with what JB wanted to do, the JB community has since been shrinking. and also add to this that JB is becoming more difficult, "hackers" realized that there is not much to gain for the great effort, besides personal accomplishment
     
  19. bobnielsen

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    Good points. It is also unfortunate that the term "hacker" has acquired a nefarious conotation (while it originally meant something quite different than it currently does). It is unfortunate that some have taken advantage of openness to pursue illegal activities. Fortunately, the free software movement still lives.
     
  20. mreaves53

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    By the way, I had no idea the device I was purchasing was rooted.
     

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