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GenieGo on rooted Android

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by mreaves53, Nov 22, 2013.

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  3. dualsub2006

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    Yes you did, you circumvented root check
    You can have your opinion.

    If a person that were using an on device root check block still had access to SU, and could do all of the things that D* is trying to guard against, I'd agree with you.

    You don't have access to SU when a root check blocker is used. You aren't circumventing or working around anything. You're temporarily disabling root access on your phone.
    Me? If an app blocks root users, I don't use that app. In this case, it is THE reason why I don't have a GenieGo.

    I'm not willing to do the extra steps needed to use it, and I'm not reverting to stock for this.
     
  4. bobnielsen

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    I consider an Android tablet to be a subset of a Linux computer (which it is). A Linux computer without root access (either a root login or sudo) is completely useless to me. I even use root on my Macs at times. I prefer to do without apps which would cripple my control of my hardware. I see no reason why one would want to use root with Genie go, however.
     
  5. harsh

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    What you consider it and what a large percentage of the population use it for may well be a null join. Android is less for the computer hacker and more for the media consumer and that doesn't require rooting.

    Of course the TS's problem is that the device featured rooting (not uncommon among Android TV devices; several advertise it) and that makes the content providers nervous.
     
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  6. Diana C

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    As I said, the question is whether or not circumventing the root check in the app constitutes bypassing an access control mechanism. I suspect that would be a question for a jury, should anyone ever be prosecuted for it under the DMCA. Until then, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
     
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    As I said, the question is whether or not circumventing the root check in the app constitutes bypassing an access control mechanism. I suspect that would be a question for a jury, should anyone ever be prosecuted for it under the DMCA. Until then, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
    you're too hung up on the word circumvent.

    You'd no more be prosecuted for disabling root on your phone to use the app than you would be reverting to stock and unrooting it to use the app.

    You aren't circumventing root check by disabling the SU Binary, you're temp unrooting it.
     
  8. inkahauts

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    What's the difference if the result is the exact same?
     
  9. dualsub2006

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    What's the difference if the result is the exact same?
    Which result is exactly the same?
     
  10. inkahauts

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    You are watching something on a rooted phone.

    that is not supposed to be able to happen.

    The app and it's process is being manipulated in some way to get it to work when it should not be working.

    Or is the phone not actually rooted when this is happening?
     
  11. bobnielsen

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    I wonder how Directv deals with the Mac app. All it takes is using sudo to have root privileges.
     
  12. dualsub2006

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    The app and it's process is being manipulated in some way to get it to work when it should not be working.
    No, it's not.

    And I'm not actually doing anything as I won't buy a GenieGo because it blocks rooted devices.
     
  13. James Long

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    Brief curiosity: Is this "temporary unrooting" for the duration of using programs that will not function on a rooted device or is it something run to allow the protected app to start - test for root - and then one turns back on the rooting while the protected app continues to run?

    If the "temporary unrooting" allows the protected app to run on a rooted device after the rooting is turned back on then "circumventing" is an accurate term. It is removing the protection from the app. (The app should not need to check for root every second of operation to see if the device was temporarily unrooted.)

    If the "temporary unrooting" cannot be disabled until the protected app is closed one could make the argument that the protected app is not circumvented but the device is still a "rooted device" ... and content owners have the right to protect their content.

    So what is your interest in the matter? Do you expect DirecTV to lift the restriction on their software and allow rooted devices?

    I expect more control on content ... not less.
     
  14. inkahauts

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    Maybe to be clear the app is being manipulated into thinking something about the device that is not accurate?

    Again I'm not trying to argue im trying To understand how this works and James I think asked the question very well as well.
     
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    Yup - you both were quite clear.

    Not sure why anyone would struggle understanding it.
     
  16. dualsub2006

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    Brief curiosity: Is this "temporary unrooting" for the duration of using programs that will not function on a rooted device or is it something run to allow the protected app to start - test for root - and then one turns back on the rooting while the protected app continues to run?

    If the "temporary unrooting" allows the protected app to run on a rooted device after the rooting is turned back on then "circumventing" is an accurate term. It is removing the protection from the
    I don't have specific knowledge about how the GenieGo app works, but I can tell you how the Google Play Movies app worked when it blocked root back in the day.

    If you disabled SU, started Play Movies and then used the app switcher to enable SU, going back to Play Movies caused another root check and it wouldn't run.

    Hulu+ also started it's life blocking rooted devices, and it did the same thing. If you switched away from Hulu+, switching back after enabling SU (or if you switched away to answer the phone) caused a root check on resume.

    Does GenieGo rescan for root when a user switches away and then back again? I don't know, but their remote app for the phone reloads when switching apps, so I'd lay good money that it does.


    So what is your interest in the matter? Do you expect DirecTV to lift the restriction on their software and allow rooted devices?

    I expect more control on content ... not less.
    I don't expect anything, I'm engaging in a discussion on the topic. If they never stop blocking rooted devices, I'll never own a GenieGo and I'm fine with that.

    I wrote for an Android website for years, and I researched this topic heavily when Google did block rooted devices, so I know more about the topic than I should.

    There's a lot of truth about what can be done on a rooted Android or a JB iPhone. There's also a misconception about how easy stream stealing is and the quality of the end product.

    There's lots more that I could say on this topic, but I don't want to enable anyone to do bad things, and I don't want to walk any closer the line when it comes to forum rules.

    Maybe to be clear the app is being manipulated into thinking something about the device that is not accurate?Again I'm not trying to argue im trying To understand how this works and James I think asked the question very well as well.
    I'll test the GenieGo app and let you know if it can be gamed as James has suggested.
     
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    Yup - you both were quite clear.

    Not sure why anyone would struggle understanding it.
    Nobody is struggling to understand anything. There's a discussion going on, and unless a moderator comes along and says shut up, discussion is why the forum exists.
     
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    I'll test the GenieGo app and let you know if it can be gamed as James has suggested.
    I forgot, Super User is built into my ROM and I can't disable it.
     
  19. James Long

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    Quality is not the issue when it comes to copyright law. The providers and content owners tend to focus on protecting higher quality content more than low quality content but it is all legally protected content. The owner of the content gets to decide how their content is distributed - regardless of quality.

    If they consider rooted devices enough of a threat that they don't want their content distributed to rooted devices then that is their choice. Working around their choice is circumvention of the protection they have enabled.

    That is very much appreciated.
     
  20. dualsub2006

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    Quality is not the issue when it comes to copyright law.
    No, a low quality rip is no less illegal than a high quality rip.

    Quality, and ease of ripping have everything to do when a bad guy is deciding how to do the bad things that he does.

    A rooted Android device or jailbroken iOS is neither the easiest or highest quality way for a bad guy to do bad things. Not by a long shot.
     

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