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Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Marlin Guy, Jul 4, 2012.
google is a enity of the N.S.A, a spy for them.. google is a dangerous enity,,
What's an "enity" ?
An adjective describing a screen full of nits that live in the internet?
The NSA needs a better spell check program.
Oh, God, no...
For those without Google Goggles, that is a picture of Martin Niemoller, a fact I know only because I have the app. He is the author of the famous "First they came for..." poem against Hitler's oppression.
You know what's the problem with the debate, MarlinGuy? I don't see any temperance from people on your side of the argument. Some of us think that it should be more difficult for you to buy a semi-automatic pistol than it is for a 19 year old to buy a six-pack of beer, and the moment that issue is even brought up, you go all Godwin on us.
You can buy guns from many different sources, MarlinGuy. I bet you could come up with over a dozen ways in which you could legally buy a gun within the next 24 hours. Is it really necessary that Google, against their desires, sell you a gun, too?
I can't roll my eyes hard enough over this. Seriously, it's not a big deal. It's harder to track the varying gun laws across the country, and in order to avoid getting sued, they're not carrying firearms at all. Not a big deal.
Personally, I'd rather see all mail order sales banned. No catalogs, no web sales. In person, face-to-face at a licensed dealer only.
I believe that's the only way you can buy a gun. Catalog and web sales have to be sent to a licensed dealer for pick up. You pay a fee to the dealer. Dealer sends his license info to salesman. Salesman sends gun to dealer. Dealer does background check.
I have no desire to buy a gun from Google.
I would just like to use their services when shopping for someone to sell me a gun. No different than you searching for someone to sell you a scale model of the Enterprise or a costume for the next convention.
Additionally, your analogy about the 19 year old buying beer demonstrates an insurmountable lack of knowledge on your behalf. So much so that debating someone so inadequately prepared would be an exercise in complete futility.
That's the way it is today. A company can not sell you a gun without someone filling out the federal paperwork and running the federal background checks; whether it's a web based company, a local mom and pop store or some guy who sells guns out of his house professionally. For the web or mail order companies you are talking about, they must deliver the firearm to a FFL who then fills out the federal paperwork and runs the background checks. So no company is letting you purchase a firearm online and then shipping it directly to your house. Any company that gets caught selling guns without filling out the 4473 paperwork or sending them through an FFL would be shut down by the ATF and they would be put in jail.
In most states, an individual can sell you a gun within their state without using an FFL and filling out federal paperwork. They are allowed to do this because one person is selling private property to another person.
That is 100% correct.
Additional restrictions from state to state. Some states will not allow an individual to do a direct to FFL holder transfer. it has to be FFL to FFL, then to purchaser.
As firearms enthusiasts, ignorance of the products and the processes involved is the biggest obstacle we face. Believe it or not, every time we fight to not lose anymore ground on the second amendment we are also fighting for the preservation of the rest of your rights. Nobody fears an unarmed citizenry. Not the white collar criminals and certainly not the blue collar ones.
Personally, I'd like to see more restrictions placed on the sales of cars, bicycles, kitchen knives, roller skates, blenders, home theater equipment, ladders, cheeseburgers, bacon, red meats, fatty foods, tobacco products, video games, alcohol, and home use pesticides.
Way too easy for just anyone to lay hands on that kind of stuff these days. Too many people getting hurt.
Oh, and of course Star Trek merchandise.
Only the truly weird deal in that stuff. I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer's place was full of it.
Every time Dahmer's name gets brought up it reminds me of a story...
There was a time I was frequenting Toys R Us... and I would sometimes have to return stuff without a receipt and take their Geoffrey Money, which they gave instead of cash... works the same as store credit.
Anyway... because their Geoffrey Giraffe had that name... I used to joke with my friends about going and getting "Dahmer Dollars"... only, one day I slipped and said that in Toys R Us. I got the strangest look from the cashier when I told her Dahmer Dollars were ok instead of cash
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Star Trek merchandise doesn't kill people, people kill people. I'm sure someone has used a batleth to kill someone somewhere, but there are sure a lot more people using guns and other traditional weapons.
Their sales are highly regulated (by the government). Many sites just don't want to get involved with complying with those regulations (deciding which weapons are legally sold in each jurisdiction their site serves) and find it easier to simply pass on accepting any advertising to avoid any liability for violating laws.
You would like to. They don't want you to. Don't use their service. It's not very hard. You love posting all over about how you stopped with DIRECTV. Now you can do the same with Google. How is that difficult? Put your conviction to define your actions in lack of support.
Great. Now we can look forward to him posting on multiple threads on how much he dislikes Google and how bored he is with his new search engine.
Please inform me, O Wise One:
In many states, cannot a person go to a local gun show and from the right vendor, buy a semi-automatic pistol without a background check? If they had criminal intent, could they not use a fake driver's license to do that? When I was 19, I used a fake ID to buy beer. Where's the greater difficulty in illegally buying a gun than beer?
I love being cast as the weird one in this argument. And Dahmer would be toast when confronted with my phaser.
Somebody has to use Bing.
And you still will be able to use Google Search. You just won't be able to use Google Store. "glock 19 for sale" just yielded 1,900,000 results. Have at it.
In this example, "vendor" is the key word. If by "vendor" you mean someone who sells guns professionally or a company, the answer is no. Just because it's a gunshow, it doesn't mean the federal regulations around the sale of firearms cease to exist. They must perform an NCIS background check and fill out the 4473 paperwork. For the 4473 paperwork, you must supply your social and another form of ID and then your information is run through the federal background check system. So it's a lot more than a 19 year old kid with a fake ID. It's also a felony to provide false information on the 4473 and you'll probably end up in jail by trying to buy a firearm with a fake ID.
If by "vendor" you mean a private individual who is selling their own personal weapon, the answer is maybe. Some states require all firearm sales to go through an FFL no matter who is selling the gun. The FFL would then run all the background checks and fill out the paperwork. Other states allow private individuals to sell their private property without having to involve the goverment.