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H21-200: - First Look: Discussion

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Jul 17, 2007.

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  1. Thaedron

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    I agree that no OTA tuner in the H-21 is a cost cutting move, kind of a pain, but not the end of the world.

    However, I still think that skipping the OTA tuner in the HR-21 when it comes out will be a BIG MISTAKE. Reason being is that you may have ATSC tuners in your TV, but you won't have a DVR in there too.

    Here is a potential scenario:

    HR-21 comes out having NO OTA tuner, but with some new features that the HR-20 doesn't have and due to hardware or other limitations cannot have. This will leave an "old, feature lacking" DVR with OTA and a "new, feature-rich" DVR without OTA.

    While the situation is understandable that the H20 has OTA and the H21 won't. The most feature rich DVR should include an OTA tuner. Otherwise does D* plan to carry ALL local channels, OR expect you to get a separate ATSC tuning DVR to fill that need? OR don't they care about that fraction of their viewership?

    "Perfect world" scenario:
    HR-21 is an OTA carrying, Multi-room viewing Uber-DVR (toss in DLBs too... :D )and that ethernet port on the H-21s is there to make it an MRV client thus allowing you to watch your OTA recorded content anywhere in your home. Ok, this would still alienate a fraction of the people here who need their live OTA in their H-21s, but that's down to a fraction of an already small fraction (~1/40 of installs).
     
  2. veryoldschool

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    For the topic of "first look" of the H21, there seem to be a lot of worries about a DVR.
    This is a receiver & it seems that maybe 39 out of 40 users would find it works for what they want.
    For the 1 out of 40, there is still the H20.
    I must say, if you had this in your hands, you'd love it for what it does do. :D
     
  3. TheRatPatrol

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    And has side by side PIP. :D
     
  4. loudo

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    That would definitely not be a good thing for D*. We live in a very high rain fade prone area, and when we want to record anything that is available in OTA or D* satellite, we use OTA signal before we will the D* signal, because of the rain fade issue. Plus D* only offers 4 HD networks and that leaves another 26 HD or digital signals that I might want to record from, that wouldn't be available to record without an OTA tuner in the DVR.

    I am sure a lot of others are in that same boat. If I am home just wanting to watch the show, it is no problem switching my TV input to my built in tuner, but if I am away and wanting to record it on the DVR, the lack of a OTA tuner in the DVR, would be an issue for me.
     
  5. hdtvfan0001

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    I totally agree.

    I have 1 H20 receiver, 2 HR20 DVR's and 2 legacy receivers. I intend to replace both legacy receivers with HD ones in the near future, one possibly with another HR20 DVR. I have had OTA for many years.

    That said, OTA is nice where you want / need it for viewing, but for many rooms in the house OTA is just not that big a deal. In my Home Theater or Family Room, its a must with DVR usage, in my Master Bedroom, it's not.

    Also, out of my 19 or so D*TV customer personal friends with HD service, only 3 of us have OTA. I suspect that nationwide, the % is less than 10%.....so it will not be as big a deal on the mass market. It will also vary by market, depending on how many oTA channels you get, how solid they are, and if you get the D*TV MPEG4 locals in your market.

    To me, what D*TV does with the activation of the Ethernet port has more potential impact.

    My guess is that over time, OTA interest and connections will continue to dwindle. For that reason, I suspect D*TV is forecasting the same thing and excluded an OTA tuner in the H21.
     
  6. RunnerFL

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    Locals are included in your package, unless you have specifically asked D* to not include them, so you would not be paying anything more than you already are.
     
  7. TBoneit

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    Locals may be included, without subchannels however. That goes for both satellite services. Do I use them? Sunday I was watching one of the local subchannels via the TV set tuner and Basic cable.

    Why that way? The TV set gives channel info via the tuner (QAM)
     
  8. satwood

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    How can I get a chance to try the H21? I'm currently using an H20 that I would gladly put aside. I have a variety of large panel systems I can test it with. I do not need OTA, in fact I'm in a place where I can't get any decent OTA anyway. I have relatively long single cable runs from an AT9 dish and I have 4 total receivers on the 4 AT9 ports. I've been planning to add a WB68 to expand the system.

    I haven't been very active in the CE work to date because I don't have an HR20 and my H20 has a number of hardware bugs in it I've reported many times already. I didn't want to brick it by testing firmware since it's not stable anyway. (Hitting it with a rolled up newspaper gets a similar reaction as from my cat :grin: ).

    Let me know if there's a way I can play.

    Thanks
    Steve
     
  9. RAD

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    Dripping...
  10. directvfreak

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    Is the H20 capable of using an RF remote. I noticed the remote included isn't RF and there is no RF antenna.
     
  11. Michael D'Angelo

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    Yes. I have both of my H20's using RF. It does have a external antenna.
     
  12. Jeremy W

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    The included remote IS RF, and it should have come with an RF antenna.
     
  13. JeffBowser

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    +1, I just changed mine last night from IR to RF. Took me an hour to remember where I stashed that antenna
     
  14. directvfreak

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    My bad... is the H21 capable of using an RF remote... I need to re-read my posts, it was stupid of me to ask... I have 2 H20s... Again, is the H20 Rf capable.

    I'm stupid
     
  15. veryoldschool

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    Both models of the H20 AND the H21 are RF capable.
     
  16. TAnsley

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    Since I cannot get all of my HD locals via DTV, it is a must! (Thanks LIN Broadcasting! :mad: )
     
  17. mluntz

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    Advantages of OTA:

    More channels
    Virtuall NO rain fade
     
  18. veryoldschool

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    I don't think anybody is disagreeing with you, but "most users" don't care and this receiver is for them [and apparently not for you].
     
  19. JeffBowser

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    Nice thing about OTA in the DirecTV receiver is the integrated guide.
     
  20. loudo

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    The only advantage I can see of the H21 over the H20, is the Network connection. As far as the removal of the OTA tuner, it is a big step back wards, and renders the unit useless to me. I hope they keep the H20 around for a while.
     
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