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Hard Drive Upgrade - Internal or External

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by al4, Sep 11, 2008.

  1. cartrivision

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    I don't know what you base that statement on. I've never seen one person post in these forums or any other similar forums that they have been charged after returning a working DVR with the original disk put back in it, and if they ever do start trying to do something like that, it certainly wouldn't be a "guy in logistics" who unpacks the returned boxes making such a determination.

    In addition, as has been pointed out many times, the lease agreement does not allow for or specify any such charges for leased receivers that have been opened. The lease agreement only allows for and spells out specific charges in the event that the customer fails to return a leased receiver or DVR
     
  2. russdog

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    FWIW...

    We know that FreeAgent Pro's don't work with HR21's.
    Seagate is just now coming out with a new line of externals, the FreeAgent Xtreme.
    They now have a link up: http://freeagent.seagate.com/en-us/hard-drive/external-hard-drive/Free-Agent.html#

    I've seen a report where 1 guy said he had one of these working with an HR21, but there's been no follow up to that report, so who knows? (Not me.)

    This line includes various configurations, one of which has eSATA and a couple that do not.
    In addition, this line not only has 500GB, 640GB, and 1TB units, it also includes 1.5TB units.
    AFAIK, no vendors actually have these yet, so you can't get one yet.

    For me, 1.5 TB at a tad less than $300 sounds pretty good.
    Of course, what nobody really knows yet is whether these things will work with the HR21.
    However, we'll probably be hearing reports before too long.
     
  3. cartrivision

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    The street prices for the bare Seagate 1.5TB seem to be well under $300. Pricegrabber lists 3 sellers with prices ranging from $199 to $279 (+ shipping and sales tax if applicable).

    http://computers.pricegrabber.com/hard-drives/m/85786868/search=1.5TB/st=product/sv=button/
     
  4. dreadlk

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    Thats just fear Talk. Directv has no interest in losing customers over trivial matters. If you return the unit with the orginal drive they will not get involved in a blame game even if they suspect the unit might have been opened! For one there is no gain in it, as most people will refuse to pay any penalties, they will just switch over to Comcast or Dishnet and tell Direct to P off.


     
  5. russdog

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    That's for bare Barracudas, not a plug-n-play external.
    Various people have reported trouble using Barracudas with HR21's.
    The issue for me is not cheapest-price-per-byte. The issue is getting big eSATA external storage that will actually work with HR21's.
    I don't know yet if the FA Xtreme's will work, but I know that the Barracuda's have been trouble for some HR21 owners.
     
  6. cartrivision

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    Many people who don't want to do internal upgrades still buy the bare drive and put it in an eSATA enclosure for external use. Even with the cost of an external enclosure, it looks like a 1.5TB external drive can be had for well under $300.

    I prefer to do internal upgrades for the lower cost, lower power consumption, and decreased clutter as well as the increased reliability and lack of compatibility problems that plague externals, but for people want an external solution, sometimes buying a bare drive and enclosure is cheaper than buying a pre-packaged external.
     
  7. cartrivision

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    Are you saying that people have had problems using Barracudas externally or that they didn't work as an internal replacement? I know that the HR21s have lots of problems with various external drives.
     
  8. russdog

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    It's fine with me for you to do whatever you want. Have at it. I'm not trying to argue with you about it.
    For myself, I don't wanna open up the HR21. I want big eSATA external storage, just like I said I did.
    And, yes, people have reported trouble with Barracudas in external eSATA enclosures (such as the Antec MX-1) that work fine with HR21's when WD drives are installed in them.
     
  9. cartrivision

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    The question I had was if people have had troubles with Barracudas used internally.

    I personally have never heard of a drive that wouldn't work internally, which is why I was asking about installing the Barracuda internally, but I understand that not everyone is comfortable with opening up a DVR and replacing an internal drive which is why I also pointed out that you can build your own external drive with a the bare 1.5TB drive that I linked to.
     
  10. al4

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    I still haven't decided what to do. Given I'm only using the DVR for cable channels I may not even upgrade the drive.
     
  11. sundude90

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    I would probably go with Internal if its possible without hurting your equipment. If you went with External you would have to have a power supply and it would take up more room.
     
  12. houskamp

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    I have a couple of "owned" HR20s and a HR21.. I have the 7200.11 500gb in the 21 and the enterprize version (ST3500630NS?) in the 20s.. been running for about a year..
     
  13. rudeney

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    I’m not trying to get into the argument here, but I think the issue is that some people think that an “external” drive like the FAP is somehow different from using a raw “internal” drive and putting it into an enclosure like the Antec. If you open the FAP, it will have a raw internal HD in its case. My guess is the incompatibility with the FAP and HR21 is not the actual raw drive, but the electronics in the FAP’s enclosure. IOW, putting a different brand raw internal HD inside the FAP case would likely not make it work with the HR21, but taking the raw internal HD from a FAP and putting in an Antec case would work.
     
  14. Stuart Sweet

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    Folks, rather than issue a pile of infractions, I've deleted several of your posts. I know that there was some pertinent information in there, but there was also a bit too much attitude for this discussion. Please remember, no one comes here to be attacked or insulted.

    I ask that the conversation start again respectfully, and if you do choose to address each other rudely, please do so in private messages.
     
  15. aleicgrant

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    I picked up three of the 1.5 tb drives for $189 shipped. I would like to do an internal install. I assume its not as simple as opening up the dvr and popping in the new drive?
     
  16. greynolds

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    Lease issues aside, it is as simple as just putting in the new drive. You'll have to redo your scheduling of programs, etc. but you don't have to do anything special to prepare the drives to go into the DVR, unlike on the Tivo boxes.
     
  17. cartrivision

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    It is that simple. I have done that with an HR20-100, and again just this weekend, dropping a new WD 1TB drive inside an HR21-100.

    If you do so with your new 1.5TB drives, let us know how it goes. I'd be willing to bet that it will work fine as (unlike with external upgrades) I have never heard of anyone having a problem with an internal disk upgrade. Are your 1.5TBs the Seagate Baracudas? That's the only 1.5TBs I have seen on the market so far.
     
  18. intelisevil

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    The hardest part of the transplant is tracking down the proper security torx driver!

    Proud owner of two HR21-100's with internal WD 1TB drives.
     
  19. cartrivision

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    I got a set of 7 torx "security" bits on ebay for less than $7 including free shipping (all the way from Florida to Los Angeles in two days!) from this seller.....

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Tamper-Proof-St...39:1|66:2|65:15|240:1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

    .....or one can just search for "tamper proof torx" on ebay for lots of other sellers.


    BTW, did you install the WD "Green" drives? I did, and my power consumption went up by about 4 watts.... I guess the bigger capacity drive still means more power draw, and any potential power saving on the green drives comes from idle spin down, which the DVR drives never do. My internal temp did go down by 5-10 degrees though.
     
  20. 1999cobra

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    I've got the answer for you - Please, please, please do what the can openers are telling you - open the box up change the drive and then see what happens when you return the equipment ...[​IMG]- [​IMG]- [​IMG]-
     

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