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Has anyone ever "Suffered the Consequences" of opening a leased DVR?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Throckmorton, Feb 22, 2009.

Have you "Suffered the Consequences"?

  1. Yes - I was punished by D* for returning a DVR with the seal broken.

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  2. No.

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  3. I'm just clicking this one so I can see the results.

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  1. Feb 23, 2009 #81 of 303
    Mike Bertelson

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    Even experienced, careful people can have an accident. :rolleyes:

    What do you do then?

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  2. Feb 23, 2009 #82 of 303
    Tom Robertson

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    People who SMOKE their receivers should be treated the same as Paul Brown's description of traitors...

    (Name that very obfuscated movie reference...) :)
     
  3. Feb 23, 2009 #83 of 303
    timmmaaayyy2003

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    That you know of. It was my understanding that the message only showed up in the event of a HD failure and in certain parts of the system test.

    It could be that the R-10 was a unique situation since previous DVR's were being hacked to enable Tivo2Go and USB transfers that were being heavily hacked at the time.
     
  4. Feb 23, 2009 #84 of 303
    Stuart Sweet

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    There are two issues here...

    (1) is there a way for DIRECTV to tell your receiver has been tampered with, regardless of whether there is a sticker? To this the answer is yes, and I'm sorry I cannot give more details than that.

    (2) whether or not they can tell, is it ethically right to tamper with someone else's property? To this I say no, and I believe I've already put forth my argument.
     
  5. Feb 23, 2009 #85 of 303
    Ken S

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    You break it...you should report the issue to DirecTV and pay a reasonable fee to replace/repair the item you damaged.
     
  6. Feb 23, 2009 #86 of 303
    Mike Bertelson

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    And according to the lease agreement that would be $470. ;)

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  7. Feb 23, 2009 #87 of 303
    Tallgntlmn

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    I want it. :)

    Regarding this subject, I would probably take the risk by opening it if there were a failure of an obviously user replaceable piece, i.e. fan. It would seem ridiculous to wait for DTV to send a new receiver or a tech for such a simple issue. I may also open it to clean out dust. But that's not likely.
     
  8. Feb 23, 2009 #88 of 303
    Richierich

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    My statement that "People can do with their DVRs as they like as long as they accept the consequences for their actions" meant that if they are willing to pay to OWN their DVR if DIRECTV finds out then what is wrong with that.

    I was not advocating that everyone run out and Tamper with their DVR or Hack it or anything to that effect but if they had the financial resources and were willing to pay $470 or whatever the cost would be that Directv would assess you if they found out you had Upgraded your hard drive because Directv didn't provide a larger hard drive, then so be it.
     
  9. Feb 23, 2009 #89 of 303
    Mike Bertelson

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    Do you know of anyother service provider that has a larger recording capacity?

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  10. Feb 23, 2009 #90 of 303
    Richierich

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    I don't look at other Service Providers because I am a Directv guy even if they have a few shortcomings but I am betting that Directv will in the long run be the Service Provider that offers the most and best in Quality HD Programming.

    I am not a "Directv Basher" or a "Directv FanBoy" ready and willing to drag out my DIRECTV FLAG for all to see but I just tell it like it is and for some people that upsets them but I try to be Truthful and Helpful in my posts and my responses.
     
  11. Feb 23, 2009 #91 of 303
    Mike Bertelson

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    I actually try to keep up on the other providers. How else can I make an informed decision?

    My point was that DirecTV already have more HD recording capacity then most. Dish comes close (more is some cases) but other than that….. :grin:

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  12. Feb 23, 2009 #92 of 303
    Thaedron

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    LOL... one :beatdeadhorse:

    Followed by another :beatdeadhorse:

    But to the OP's intent... I haven't yet returned any of my leased receivers, nor have I opened any of them. So my 'no' vote is meaningless.

    No offense to the OP or any other DBSTalk poll starters, but many of us (myself included) are good good at many things, but quality poll writing ain't one of em...

    This poll should have only asked for votes if you have both altered AND returned a leased DVR and THEN whether or not you have "suffered the wrath of the DirecTV lease agreement legal team". Or perhaps something along the lines of...

    1. I have not opened any of my DirecTV leased DVRs
    2. I have not returned any previously opened DirecTV leased DVRs
    3. I have both opened and returned one or more leased DirecTV DVRs without recourse
    4. I have both opened and returned one or more leased DirecTV DVRs and was subjected to some recourse by DirecTV (fully detailed in a post to follow)

    Then for the purposes of the point the OP is trying to make, you throw out all of the first two responses.
     
  13. Feb 24, 2009 #93 of 303
    Ken S

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    Yes, but others have a much better and more complete VoD library which means you don't need as much recording space. Their VoD stuff also doesn't take up HD space as it is watched.
     
  14. Feb 24, 2009 #94 of 303
    t_h

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    Not to go off topic (dammit!) but I'm not sure I care. Everything except the travel channel is in HD, and I have a good 12-15 channels in HD I dont care about, mostly kids channels that run 95% animations that look just fine in SD.

    After my dad had his HD tivo/comcast setup put in, I looked extensively for what channels I had in HD that werent on cable. Darned if I could find any.

    Why does this matter? Because the delivery of excess HD channel content drives additional technical complexity into the system that we rely on to perform at a "utility" level. So more HD channels = more satellites = more complex equipment = lower tolerances = higher install requirements.

    All the stuff that bit me in the backside this year.
     
  15. Feb 24, 2009 #95 of 303
    Throckmorton

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    Well, yeah, I did, it the OP:

     
  16. Feb 24, 2009 #96 of 303
    Mike Bertelson

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    Wait, are you saying that you've been punished?

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  17. Feb 24, 2009 #97 of 303
    Throckmorton

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    That's a joke, right?

    You couldn't really be misreading me that badly, could you?
     
  18. Feb 24, 2009 #98 of 303
    Mike Bertelson

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    Sorry, I've been up for three hours and I haven't had my coffee yet. :icon_cof: :grin:
     
  19. Feb 24, 2009 #99 of 303
    Throckmorton

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    Ah, I understand completely. I'm enjoying some Caribou Sumatra at the moment.
     
  20. hdtvfan0001

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    Guys...this is all pretty straight forward.

    There is a clear statement in the DirecTV agreement when you use leased equipment that states the consequences of opening up a DVR or receiver, so that's not really much to debate.

    For those who understand the potential charges that may be incurred through their actions of violating those terms, and still go ahead and proceed with opening up a device....they would likely be prepared to pay the funds due for their choice.

    I do not condone nor would encourage anyone to violate the terms of their agreement.

    There is, of course, the added risk of opening a unit whereby one does not know what they are doing with the insides of the equipment. In any case...if you don't own your equipment, and don't know specifically what you are doing....why even risk anything?

    All that said....tinkerer beware....
     
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