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Have a Joyous Winter Solstice!

Discussion in 'The OT' started by jonstad, Dec 22, 2003.

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  1. Danny R

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    The only part that matters to me is “Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen”

    This being said to pre-christian Jews, who were acting under totally different operating instructions from God and for whom many of the laws were geared toward separating them apart and making them distinct from other cultures in order to protect them from losing who they were as a people.

    Later Christians were ordered to go out and teach the gentiles however. Thus new Christians were often converted heathens themselves, making it nigh impossible for them to unlearn everything they grew up with.

    The very days of the week are named after pagan dieties. Its impossible NOT to learn pagan ways because Christianity is only a small fraction of our world history and culture, and none of us can be totally defined as being solely Christian with no pagan influence. Thus the question is do we take the everyday symbols found in life and use them towards Christianity, or do we distain everything as evil and find fault in God's creation as a whole?
     
  2. Roger

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    Danny wrote:

    "This being said to pre-christian Jews, who were acting under totally different operating instructions from God and for whom many of the laws were geared toward separating them apart and making them distinct from other cultures in order to protect them from losing who they were as a people."

    Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
    Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    "Later Christians were ordered to go out and teach the gentiles however. Thus new Christians were often converted heathens themselves, making it nigh impossible for them to unlearn everything they grew up with."

    Read Romans 7 where believers are carnal and sinful but are given a new spirit.
    Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
    Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    Your above post is nothing but an excuse to be ignorant and cover up for the decieved when we're suppossed to born into a new spirit. You want to protect or promote paganism in the so-called body and that's wrong. I "unlearned" a lot of stuff.

    "The very days of the week are named after pagan dieties."

    True, but the Bible never mentioned any names for a day or month.
    Jer 52:12 Now in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem,

    A real Christain can avoid all this paganism in their heart is right.

    "Thus the question is do we take the everyday symbols found in life and use them towards Christianity, or do we distain everything as evil and find fault in God's creation as a whole?"

    Talk about biased questions.
     
  3. Nick

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    A workman who picks up a hammer can use it for good or for evil. He can build
    a house, destroy a temple or slay a man. The hammer is neither good nor evil,
    but that which is in the man's heart will guide his hand.


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    Love and Joy in this
    cherished season.
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  4. Bogy

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    Roger, you think I was lying to you? I'm so disappointed. :nono2:
     
  5. Bogy

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    Nick, great post, wonderful thought. Not very "curmudgeonly" though. :lol:
     
  6. Roger

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    Bogy: "Roger, you think I was lying to you? I'm so disappointed."

    What are you talking about? You weren't part of the topic. That said, we haven't talked in a long time because we disagree on everything so I figured it was time for a long break. :)
     
  7. waydwolf

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    Maybe YOU are celebrating that but others aren't. Thank you for being the damper on religious and spirtual introspection and faith that Roger is on sex. :rolleyes:

    As someone whose lineage goes back to the pre-Christian era, I say a big "THANK YOU GOD!" for us not being pagans worshipping trees and whatnot anymore, and my yearly prayer that others won't keep using distortions of the old ways to tear down the Judeo-Christian world.

    (As an aside, I find this yearning for the old ways to be similar to the luddite yearning for mythical "good old days"... You know, when life expectancy was under 45 and cancer was just something that killed you with no treatment.)

    If you want to believe what you believe, fine. No reason to tear at everyone else with snide nonsense and then cover your butt with wishing people peace after you've stabbed them in the spiritual heart with that taunt.

    Besides, you're wrong about the solstice. It's completely tied to Earth and when mankind colonizes the stars someday, they will remember concrete dates based on measurable time and not sunrises and whatnot on some planet they ain't living on anymore. In other words, there will be Xmas parties at L5 someday but probably not any solstice parties.
     
  8. jonstad

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    Sex rarely starts wars, kills anyone, condemns them for believing in other forms of sex(or none at all), burns others at the stake or flies airliners into high rises.
    All our "lineages" go back to pre-Christian eras, and beyond. You're not better then anyone else simply because you have yours written down on a piece of paper just as you're no better for believing in some imagined, mystical diety. And what "distortions of the old ways" are you referring to? Let's have an example and we'll discuss it.
    I'm confused. Which "old ways" is someone "yearning" for here? The "old ways" when Christianity ruled supreme in the western world or the "old ways" "when life expectancy was under 45 and cancer was just something that killed you with no treatment"? They are one and the same my friend and they were called the Dark Ages. Science and technology is what saves lives, not prayer. If you think otherwise, direct your ambulance to the nearest house of worship on the occasion of your next heart attack or auto accident. It's been nice knowing you.:lol:
    Pardon me for prodding you to THINK! Is your "spiritual heart" so fragile to be wounded by my "snide nonsense" and "taunt"? If so, perhaps it might be more prudent to ground your "spiritual heart" on reality rather then archaic, adult fairy tales.
    Well that's a matter of opinion, ain't it. Space travel will be based on reality and knowledge. Otherwise it simply won't work. So even in the farthest reaches of space, Man will know the precise moment of the solstice on Earth if they care to. Today, after several thousand years of research, we don't know when, or even if, Christ was born.

    I don't recall any Star Treks while Roddenberry was alive celebrating Christmas. And the one character glaringly absent was that of chaplain. At the outset, it was strongly recommended but Roddenberry rejected the idea out of hand as patently ridiculous.
     
  9. RichW

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    "Sex rarely starts wars, kills anyone, condemns them for believing in other forms of sex(or none at all), burns others at the stake or flies airliners into high rises."

    Unless you align with the Freudian school of psychology - where sex is the causitive agent of everything!
     
  10. Roger

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    "Maybe YOU are celebrating that but others aren't. Thank you for being the damper on religious and spirtual introspection and faith that Roger is on sex."

    I have nothing against sex. However, The Lord Jesus and The God of the Bible sets some laws up about it. I say find a wife and do it responsibly.
     
  11. Roger

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    I thought I was supposed to be the resident crackpot.:D
     
  12. Richard King

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    Competition is a good thing. :D
     
  13. RichW

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    "I have nothing against sex. However, The Lord Jesus and The God of the Bible sets some laws up about it. I say find a wife and do it responsibly."

    Yep. and preferably it should be your own!
     
  14. Nick

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    Strange how a thread that started out with good wishes for the season turned into a predictable knockdown-slugfest of ill-will fomented by gargantuan egos with Lillipution minds. Rewind that frayed old tape and play it again one more time, will ya?

    Where is Geronimo when we really need him?
     
  15. texas39

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    If she's my own already, why am i looking for her? :D
    and if it's someone else's wife, can't I offer to find her and ask for a reward ;)
     
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