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HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray War Thread - Update: Toshiba formally announces end of HD DVD

Discussion in 'The Movies' started by Nick, Apr 23, 2007.

  1. Jan 5, 2008 #721 of 3123
    phat78boy

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    The majority of Blu-Ray players cannot. Not only that, but they have "extras" which some players use and some don't. Ethernet is one for example. While the specs might be finalized, the community is anything but together.
     
  2. Jan 5, 2008 #722 of 3123
    phat78boy

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    I'm sorry, but unless the Blu-Ray camp lowers fees that will allow the Blu-Ray players to be sold cheaper, they will miss their chance. I don't see Sony lowering the fees. They will maintain Blu-Ray is a "more advanced" machine and thus is more expensive. With a glutten of cheap chinese made HD-DVD players showing up at all the big box retailers this year, a lot of studios will be re-evaluating their positions again this time next year.

    A large percentage of the small percentage of people who are actually cutting edge and don't care about price already have one or both systems. The people being fought for now are the people who will only go if the price is right. These people will purchase the cheaper player over the more expensive one that has all their movies. Neither system has won yet. If we see 99$ Blu-ray players, they will all but be assured to kill off HD-DVD. I just think Sony is to high on themselves to let that happen.
     
  3. Jan 5, 2008 #723 of 3123
    machavez00

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    don't forget that the spec China has adopted, CHD DVD, will play HD DVDs, but not BluRay. A billion customers is hard to ignore, and HD DVDs are region free
     
  4. Jan 5, 2008 #724 of 3123
    hdtvfan0001

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    Or perhaps keep all your bananas for yourself....Sony will never get a dime from me. :D
     
  5. Jan 5, 2008 #725 of 3123
    Mark Holtz

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    From DailyTech:

    HD DVD Group Cancels CES Press Conference, 1:1 Meetings
    FULL ARTICLE HERE
     
  6. Jan 5, 2008 #726 of 3123
    DCSholtis

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    Damn!! Tom won't be able to get it now no matter how hard he tries either one on one or in a group. :D
     
  7. Jan 5, 2008 #727 of 3123
    DCSholtis

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    You have lost NOTHING bro!!! Read my virtual lips...I M P O R T S....
     
  8. Jan 5, 2008 #728 of 3123
    Lord Vader

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    The PS3, unlike standalone BD players, does have its limitations. I'm not disputing its popularity, but as top notch BD players come out, the PS3 will decrease in its popularity. If you browse our sister forum, AVS, you'll find more and more people singing the praises of players like the Panasonic BD30, which many consider to be the single best Blu-Ray player out there. It does have features that even the PS3 lacks.
     
  9. Jan 5, 2008 #729 of 3123
    bonscott

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    HD DVD Players coming soon to a garage sale near you.
     
  10. Jan 5, 2008 #730 of 3123
    Drew2k

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    I guess I'll be waiting to buy a Blu-Ray player until I can get one with the latest standard (2.0, I guess) with IR support and the ability to be updated via Ethernet ... and costs less than $400. (And isn't a game console. Not interested in the PS3.)

    For all the Blu-Ray guys and gals out there, what's your best guess on how long will that wait will be?
     
  11. Jan 5, 2008 #731 of 3123
    harsh

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    chris0

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    I own both formats, and Casino Royale provided one of the best HDM experiences I've had.
     
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    chris0

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    I'd guess mid-year. Could be sooner, depends on what's introduced at CES.
     
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    keith_benedict

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    I'm in the same boat as you except I haven't taken the UPC label off. I was given an HD-A30 for Christmas. It was purchased from an online retailer that doesn't allow returns of opened DVD players. The sad things is that I already have a great upscaling DVD player in the Oppo 970. What on earth do I need 2 for?
     
  15. Jan 5, 2008 #735 of 3123
    Cholly

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    You apparently have not been doing your homework. A few weeks ago, CC, WalMart and BB had soon to be obsolete Sony BDP-300 and 301 players for $299 or less. They are now $349-$399. Check their web sites. Also, the "5 free DVD" promo is laughable. Only a few titles are really worthwhile having.

    The disadvantages I cited about the PS3 are true. I wasn't aware of a USB dongle being available for use with universal remotes. And yes, "real soon now", you'll be able to buy remotes that support both Bluetooth and IR. You'll also be able to buy a PS3 that is IR enabled. However, that is not the case today.

    While your PS3 will play most PS2 games, the 40 GB. $399 PS3 now being promoted will not. Sony left out support for PS2 in that model. Read the ads and specs.

    Finally: regarding Microsoft -- do you in all honesty think that Microsoft has that much influence in the standalone DVD player market, or for that matter in DVD titles? Granted, they are a strong presence in the HD DVD camp, but not overwhelmingly so, like Sony and Disney are in the Blu-ray Disc camp. The Paramount affair is no different than Sony's buying into Target and Blockbuster. It's simply shmoozing, providing ad support and the like.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm very much interested in getting a Blu-ray Disc player, but I won't do so until there are an abundance of new model players (that support the proposed new BDA standards) at a reasonable price.(in the $250 or less range). I can't justify a PS3 on the big screen TV in our family room. In the meantime, if I want to watch Ice Age, Pirates of the Caribean or any other Disney/Pixar or Fox movies, I can watch them upconverted on my HD DVD player. They look noticeably better on my 55 inch 720p RP LCD TV than they did with my Panasonic progressive scan DVD player.
     
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    AlbertZeroK

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    First, the IR remote does not turn on and off the device, you have no PS button. But for pause, play, etc, it works okay. We just use the bluetooth remote even with having the Harmony programmed all up.

    Second, your information on the PS3 and PS2 compatibility is wrong. There are basically two versions of the PS3. The 20G/60G and the 40G/80G. The first version (20G/60G) had in essense a PS2 built in and did PS2 emulation in hardware. The second version (40G/80G) relies on the processing power of the 7 cores in the PS3 to emulate the PS2 hardware. Now I've heard all kinds of compatibility numbers and personally prefer hardware emulation over software emulation, but I'll have to admit, the new version of the PS3 is working fine for my handful of PS2 games. But you can definitely play the vast majority of PS2 games on ANY PS3 hardware. Although I can understand the preference of the hardware over software emulation.

    I'm sticking with my PS3 - for the cost, I think it's a great product considering it's capabilities and price point over a stand alone.
     
  17. Jan 5, 2008 #737 of 3123
    chris0

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    It's not unusual for prices to go down during Christmas time and go back up afterwards. I don't think it's a reversal so much as it's just not on sale anymore. Prices will go down, they always do.
     
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    GrumpyBear

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    Well,
    Lets see who long before Sony, comes up with really cool Security features. So they can tell us how to watch our DVD's both old and New. My only problem with the BD was Sony being in charge, and getting creative with all sorts of tracking features to make sure I am watching what they consider properly CopyRighted Material. With HD-DVD out there, we have been able to by pass the Forced 1.3 HDMI spec, with its built in CopyRight sniffer, With the another Nail in the coffin of HD, the 800ton Gorrilla of Sony will come up with even more, sniffer and sypware to load on our machines to help "Protect" us.
     
  19. Jan 5, 2008 #739 of 3123
    ebaltz

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    And I gather you trust Microsoft (who is now controlling HD DVD with Toshiba). Companies of complete trust huh?

    You are completely irrational and paranoid. Just sour grapes I gather. Boo hoo for you.
     
  20. Jan 5, 2008 #740 of 3123
    ebaltz

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    Most major publication and news organizations have had stories basically saying this is the beginning of the end for HD DVD, accept it or not DUD fanboys, it will soon be the cold reality for you and accept it or not, it won't change the truth.
     

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