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HD DVR Content Archiving? How Important Is It to You?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by hdtvfan0001, Jan 12, 2011.

How important would DVR content archiving be to you, if it ever became available.

  1. Extremely Important (would likely use it alot)

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  2. Important (would use it regularly if it was ever there)

    33.6%
  3. Useful (might use it from time to time)

    28.4%
  4. So-So (take it or leave it)

    26.0%
  5. Not that important (Never would consider archiving DVR content)

    12.0%
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  1. MysteryMan

    MysteryMan Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    Read post #95.
     
  2. Rich

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    I did vote. Took me quite a bit of time to decide which option to vote for. I do have the ability to archive some content if I have a copy on several HRs. I'm more concerned with the good old "Every HDD should be able to be read on every HR within an account". If this produces that result, I'll be thrilled.

    I voted for "Useful" by the way.

    Rich
     
  3. gregjones

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    I don't see this being a positive overall. If DirecTV specifically develops content archive features, I feel it would result in less productive (more expensive or less likely to conclude) negotiations with content providers.

    If HBO knows DirecTV subscribers can archive every episode of Entourage in HD without any additional revenue to HBO, HBO will be inclined to get more revenue per subscriber. Is a small subset of subscribers getting archival options worth every subscriber paying more per month?
     
  4. veryoldschool

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    Not that this doesn't have merit, but this can be done currently with HD capture devices and "coming soon" the NOMAD product.
     
  5. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Storing content that was already obtained and recorded under a customer's subscriptions, and then offloading it to another media/device would have no bearing on contractual requirements.

    You can burn a DVD from a DVR today (not HD, of course), or use a Hauppauge product to offload content to a PC without any contractual implications at this time.
     
  6. gregjones

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    Why do you think I specifically included the HD adjective?
     
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    And none of the HD capture devices are digital and we have very limited information on the NOMAD product or the quality or lifetime (assumed to expire) of the exported programs.
     
  8. veryoldschool

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    All true, but the digital to analog to digital HD "loss" is negligible.
     
  9. 1948GG

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    Not exactly true, or won't be as soon as Hauppague starts shipping the Colossus (1xPCI-E) card, as it has an HDMI input port, and if the HDCP is a problem, that is easily stripped out by most/all of the HDMI repeater/port-multiplier boxes out there.

    As soon as they start shipping, I'll have one.
     
  10. gregjones

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    And what percentage of DirecTV's HD DVR userbase will bother with this? Think of it from a negotiation perspective. If it is built into the DVR, the content providers have to assume that people will use it. If it requires additional expensive (relatively) hardware and setup, they cannot blame DirecTV for the implications.

    HBO wants you to continue buying boxed sets of their shows. What possible motivation do they have to encourage lower sales of their products across a large user population? (NBC failed to notice this same question when they installed Leno in every 10 pm slot: see how it turned out for them?)
     
  11. hdtvfan0001

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    Ergo the poll, and 80% vote (so far) that folks would use some form of archiving/backup if it was offered.
     
  12. 1948GG

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    If you're talking about the 99+% that think that a stretched, elongated, SD source is actually *HD" (Yes, less than .1% here on this board), you're probably right. If I had $1 for every time I've seen someone with a nice HD flat screen, in one of the couple dozen MDU setups I help engineer and keep running, who exclaim after getting a DirecTV hookup after living with cable (Comcast or otherwise), "WOW WOW WOW!!!!!!" and realizing that the majority of channels they had been watching in 'HD' were actually 'hd', I'd have to get a Swiss bank account to hold it all.

    Archiving programs is a constitutional right. Just because there was no (reasonable) way to do so for the consumer for some 30 years of television, and no (reasonable) way for the consumer to do so in the first 10 years of HD television, doesn't mean that more reasonable ways don't come out of the woodwork eventually, despite backdoor ways of the super-rich to try and get folks to purchase things over and over and over again.
     
  13. Laxguy

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    Er, no it isn't.

    However much I want to do so easily, in HD, and for free.
     
  14. Drucifer

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    It's important to me.
     
  15. harsh

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    Perhaps it is because DISH Network subscribers have long had the ability to digitally archive DVR content that they would have something to offer in a thread about archiving.

    DIRECTV faithful can only anticipate what it would be like.
     
  16. texasmoose

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    19 would never use this?
     
  17. harsh

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    You're confusing archiving (retaining of records) with the decidedly separate and apart IT version of archiving (which is typically used for interim snap shots as opposed to long-term backup).
    It is important to distinguish between "offloading" and making "backup copies" and the word "archiving" doesn't achieve that end. All of my questions address aspects of moving content around that have a significant impact on long term usefulness.

    As most of us know, unlimited digital copies are not in the cards. HD copies made through analog connections are currently possible but many hardware and content organizations are backing technology that will see the analog hole begin to close tightly within three years if the AACS has their way.

    http://www.avexpertblog.com/journal/2010/11/5/the-sun-is-setting-goodbye-analog-hdtv.html

    In theory, products like the Hauppauge HD PVR 1212 would become next to impossible to use for protected content and digital devices may be required to downres significantly (perhaps as low as 480i).

    Many may be in favor of being able to make unlimited digital copies but not very many would care for only being able to move one copy around or being able to make deliberately diminished copies.
     
  18. Richierich

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    Where does it state in the Constitution that Archiving Programs is a Constitutional Right???

    I must have missed that when I read the Constitution.
     
  19. Richierich

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    Whether you define Archiving as Offloading or Backing Up I define it as Offloading a Duplicate Copy so the Original Version can be Restored if it is Lost. So if you want to called this method of Archiving "Backing Up" then that is fine with me as long as I have a Duplicate Copy Stored somewhere so I can Retrieve it in case I lose the Original Version due to a loss of my hard drive or the loss of my DVR.
     
  20. MysteryMan

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    Faithfully anticipates DISH looking like a one legged man in a ass kicking contest negotiating with content providers like they did last year with Disney, FOX and MSG! ;)
     
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