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HDNet and HD Extra Package

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by paulsown, Nov 12, 2007.

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  1. Zellster

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    Anyway, back to the original question of whether this extra fee is fair to long time subscribers... I would be more inclined to pay $12 a month for all HD combined then $10 + $5 with the $5 being for a handful of channels that I don't really watch that much. I would still feel cheated that they were removed to another tier.

    I hope the HD NET complaint will delay this or at least change D*s mind on this tiering. I've always thought it was a senseless money grab. Sort of like the Maryland State Legislature sticking it to us residents with huge tax increases this past week. :mad:
     
  2. jjohns

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    If it were the content providers who were advertising to bring you 70 high def channels then yes, I agree - your beef would be with them. But the content providers are not the ones advertising. DirecTV is advertising to bring you 70 channels of high def. I guess it comes down to whether you think DirecTV's marketing folks were purposely deceiving, even though their ad was technically correct. Did they knew only the most high tech minded would distinguish between content and format? That would go to intent, which is difficult, if not impossible, to know.

    Some always gives D* the benefit of the doubt and say they were not purposely deceiving. Some would jump at the chance and always claim they're certain D* knew what they were doing. I'm just saying that without knowing the real intent, one can only go by past practices or experience. And here is where I think, recently, that D* is developing a pattern of playing this sort of semantic game.
     
  3. man_rob

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    D* is delivering over 70 channels of HD. Turn to any of the channels and look at the resolution indicator. Now, what those networks pass over their own 720p and 1080i feeds is not D*'s decision, any more than it is Comcast's or or Dish's.
     
  4. msmith198025

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    correct, i dont see what the argument here is really
     
  5. Doug Brott

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    me either .. It's not DIRECTV's fault that HD Programming and HD Format are both called HD and used interchangeably. The consumer has some culpability here.
     
  6. msmith198025

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    True, and its not like the channels are showing HD programming at all either.
     
  7. wavemaster

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    In the end for the family, the HD extra pack will probably be worth having.

    We have been a long time "premier customer" with HD ST EI and every subscribe-able channel available (including PBTV) 8 or 9 DVR's etc.

    We have always been treated good by D*. So when the shoe drops I'll call and cry about HDNET and will probably be given some programming credits to cover it for a while and in the end add it to the 175/mo. they get now.

    I was told on many occasions over the last two years as we upgraded everything to HD that there would be NO NEW charges for HD when they added the new channels so I can understand people with the gripe (myself included) and it seems like it would be a lot easier for D* to just grandfather current subs until you change your package.
     
  8. JLucPicard

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    I know this is going to sound like an oxymoron (the 'DirecTV definitively stating' part :)), but has DirecTV definitively stated that they WON'T be grandfathering current subs?
     
  9. wavemaster

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    Not that I know of, but we did get a letter.
     
  10. man_rob

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    Yes, it has been confirmed.

     
  11. jjohns

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    What do you suppose the logic was behind picking the channels that D* picked for this new package, tier or whatever you want to call it? Did D* just arbitrarily pull HDNet out of a hat? Why do you suppose HDNet was chosen as one of the channels?
     
  12. man_rob

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    It doesn't have an SD version.
     
  13. gregjones

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    Channels without an SD version were moved to the extra pack.
     
  14. gregjones

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    And no, I don't know how HD Theater got an exemption.
     
  15. man_rob

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    My guess would be that, seeing how virtually all of it's programming is available on other channels, Directv has plans to replace it for another channel at some point in the not too distant future.
     
  16. Thaedron

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    So here's a question... What does DirecTV do when channels start turning off their SD feeds? Not likely in the short term, but eventually it will happen. By then the logic of an HD tier without SD counterpart will have evaporated and we'll be left with another tier to pay extra for a "random" sampling of channels. I personally was quite happy when DirecTV pushed the vast majority of "standard cable" channels into a common tier. Sports and premiums in their own tiers makes sense.

    What's to prevent any of the "HD only" channels from making available an SD equivalent. Extremely counterintuitive for HDNet's situation and channel premise, but would that allow them to slip back out of the extra pack?

    Or those ideas may be barely-coherent ramblings in the afternoon prior to a long holiday weekend...
     
  17. jwebb1970

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    HD Theater, part of the Discovery Networks.....

    Discovery Networks....controlled by Liberty Media......

    Liberty Media.......a DirecTv shareholder...


    I'm guessing that is how HD Theater got a pass on the Extra Pack.

    Am I wrong?
     
  18. protege2k

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    The following is an interesting article on the dispute, mainly because it offers a little of both parties views (HDNET and DirecTV). In the article it is stated that the move was prompted by economics, but please interpret for yourself.

    avid.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=238975

    I rarely jump into passionate arguments, but my two cents deals with the following - rationalization.

    I was born to very good parents who taught me right and wrong, and as we have all noticed, the more money you have, the less this seems to apply. Misappropriation of funds by C level executives translates into stealing where I come from - period. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck . . .

    Along this line, as a person with average intelligence I find it insulting that the term HD Access use to mean access to all of DirecTV's HD programming - this just a few months ago. Now it means access to the HD equivalent of SD channels, if and only if you currently pay for the tier in which the channels appear. ??? I missed that in the original explanation when I first signed up. Oh and in addition, you can pay $4.99 to get the HD only, no SD equivalent, channels that actually carry the HD signal and HD content.

    In defense of DirecTV, they have the right to change all language at anytime for any reason (or at least it seems so), and I as the consumer can elect to leave at anytime (pending surrender of equipment and remaining fees owed). The sad part is DirecTV is probably the best of the worst, hey they never really lied. Oh, there I go rationalizing - quack . . .
     
  19. steinmeg

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    There was a link which went to has a complete suit brought by Mark Cuban against DirecTV on the new price increase. An injunction was handed out by the courts...I do not think D* can increase prices if their is an injunction against them........
     
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    jdeitchler

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    HDNet Settles DIRECTV Lawsuit
    The satcaster will keep one HDNet channel in its regular HD tier.
    By Swanni

    Washington, D.C. (December 7, 2007) -- HDNet has settled a lawsuit against DIRECTV that will keep one of its channels in the satcaster's basic HD programming package.

    That's according to an article by Multichannel News.

    HDNet sued DIRECTV last month to stop the satcaster from moving both HDNet and HDNet Movies to a new "HD Extra Pack" package that would cost subscribers $4.99 a month in addition to their regular $9.99 monthly "HD access fee."

    The high-def network, co-founded by Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, charged that fewer people would pay the additional $4.99. Consequently, the viewership for both HDNet and HDNet Movies would shrink considerably.

    However, Cuban tells Multichannel News that the settlement will require DIRECTV to keep HDNet in the $9.99 basic HD package. HDNet Movies, however, will be moved to the $4.99 HD Extra Pack.

    “HDNet will be fully distributed and HDNet Movies will be available on the Extra Pack Tier. It's a win-win for all involved," Cuban told Multichannel News.

    Before the settlement, the two sides were scheduled to appear today for a hearing in a District Court in Dallas on HDNet's request for a permanent injunction to stop DIRECTV from moving the channels. The hearing was cancelled after the settlement.
     
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