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Hillary overwhelming favorite among registered Democrats...

Discussion in 'The OT' started by John Corn, Dec 22, 2002.

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  1. Bogy

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    G.W.Bush - budget deficit
    Clinton - budget surplus
    G.H.W.Bush - budget deficit
    Reagan - BIG budget deficit (described as Voodoo economics by his vice-president before he became vice-president.)
    Carter - budget surplus, debt paid off (in the midst of huge economic turmoil)
    Prior to this point, the government ran pretty much a balanced budget, only going into debt during times of war or economic distress. It is the "New Republicans" who seem to think running the American taxpayer and his grandchildren into debt to benefit the wealthy is a birth rite. It is true that Democrats support programs that benefit those in need, but they also figure out how to pay for them. The extent to which the current administration and Republican dominated Congress is bankrupting us is partially hidden by the increasing amount of revenue which was previously shared with the states which is being eliminated. This is a significant part of the problem many states (who are in many cases actually required by law to have a balanced budget) are experiencing. Case in point, the "no child left behind" program W pushed for. This is actually a "no child left untested" program, with the testing federally mandated, with the cost of testing unfunded. The cost of the federally mandated law is left up to the states and local school districts to bear. So instead of your local tax dollars going to educate your child, they will now be used to test your child, with the federally approved test.
     
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    And I suppose Democrats/Clinton were in control at Enron and Worldcom and Global Crossing? If anyone can be linked to these crimes it's the Cheneys and Bushs of this world. But they'd rather not talk about it. The dotcoms were inflated way out of proportion by speculation fueled by greedy traders and brokers(again probably NOT Democrats) who knew they were overvalued but eagerly encouraged the average joe to invest their retirement accounts in order to spike the price so they could eventually sell and leave the small investor holding the empty bag. And for the most part the fat cats got out with minimal losses after huge gains. Much more so then the average day-trader at least. The rich are still quite rich and the poor remain relatively poorer.

    Although Clinton undoubtedly benefited from these paradigms, he can hardly be held responsible for them. The sad part is if the wealthy had been less greedy and more responsible in both cases, the economy would probably still have grown at an acceptable rate and we wouldn't be in the economic situation we are today.

    The difference is that previously there's always been a recovery that always more then makes up for a temporary "crash". It's two years and we're still waiting!!! Isn't it odd that the stock market is ALWAYS higher after a Democratic Presidency and losses only occur during the reign of a Republican? But I imagine you can somehow justify this as Democrats manipulating the economy to embarrass the GOP. And space aliens built the pyramids too!

    Look, no President completely controls the economy. Clinton got more credit then he was due for the boom of the nineties and Bush is not totally responsible for the currentl malaise. BUT, it is notably ironic, given their traditionally defined roles, that Democrats appear to handle economics better then their GOP counterparts. The forced resignations of Bush's main economic advisors certainly indicate they realize a problem exists, even if only recognized as a public relations one. If Dubbya doesn't want to be a one-termer like Dad, he'd better recognize and address the real problems, deficit spending and tax breaks that heavily favor the rich.
     
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    I do not wish to attack President Carter but I am unaware of any budget surpluses in that era. As fara s i know the last surplus prior to the Clinton era was FY 1969 and the Dems and Reps argue over whether Johnson or Nixon gets credit for that.
     
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    I will admit that I overstated Carter's record. I was writing off the top of my head, and got overenthusiastic. However, this is what the WhiteHouse site has to say:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/jc39.html
     
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    The 10 measures of economic improvement. Over the past 50 years all were during Democratic administrations. You want a date for the cause of rapid inflation in this country, try the price freeze, July 1972.
     
  6. Bogy

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    Most admired man living today: Former President Bill Clinton
    Most admired woman living today: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton

    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/12/30/poll/

    But because diehard Republicans who would never vote for any Democrat living or dead don't like them you think Bill couldn't be re-elected if it were legal, or that Hillary wouldn't have a shot. :D
     
  7. Richard King

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    As expected, the poll you posted is from 1997. Typical.
     
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    i suspect clinton is MOST admired by fornicators, adulterers, con men, liars, cheats, criminals, and those that love the smell of mendacity in the morning...
     
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    Don`t forget the cigar companies, they owe Clinton a lot :lol: :D :rolleyes: ;) :p :eek: :eek: :shrug: :hi:
     
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    Methinks ye doth protest too much!

    The more you guys rag on the Clintons, the more I think there muxt be something really extraordinarily fantastic about them, and I'm no fan. Anyone who can illicit such unbridled, paranoid animosity and hatred among the political right can't be all bad.:D
     
  11. Richard King

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    How about those who post a five year old poll as current? Must be some kind of fixation on them to make them look good.
     
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    Ummm... Guys.. When you're all arguing about who was responsible for what deficit or surplus, remeber this: CONGRESS passes the budget.

    Reagan? remember Tip O'Neill's declaration that any Reagan-submitted budget proposal was "D.O.A."? And you can't tell me that increasing tax revenues via a tax cut (look it up, it's there) and increasing the military budget by about $30B is what results in a $200B deficit. Look it up - it was social spending.

    Remember 'deals' made with certain presidents where there was supposed to be a $1 budget cut for every $1 tax increase (and the cuts never materialized).

    Remember that Clinton didn't get his budget surpluses until there was a GOP majority in the House.

    That being said, I'm rather disappointed at all the pork the GOP is ladelling out (especially the biggest bloated Farm Bill I could ever imagine) this time around.
     
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    Ooops! :blush: :grin: Hilllary has been the most admired woman so many times that after I heard the report on the news I took one of the first sites on a google search and didn't notice the date. Sorry about that. Anyway, here is the link to the Gallup site for this years lists. And yes, Bill has dropped to fifth place.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr021227.asp
     
  14. Bogy

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    That's not a "farm" bill. That's a "cheap food for the cities where the votes are" bill, and a "subsidies for huge agri-business fat cats who are already very wealthy" bill. Typical U.S. farm bill for the past 50 odd years. Only a pittance will go to small family farms. It doesn't matter who is in the oval office, that has been the farm policy since the early 1950's.
     
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    Hillary-Lieberman-Bush the 3 choice's for 2004 :(

    Hillary- See above for description

    Lieberman- Orthodox Jew who supports Israel more then the USA.And a man who ran for 2 offices at once.

    Bush- Broadband banning, Monopoly Friendly, and bad for the enviroment.

    I really hope Gulliani switches and becomes an independent.
     
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