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HMC30 Now in Beta test?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by PaceHD, Jul 10, 2010.

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  1. Nov 2, 2010 #261 of 533
    Rich

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    I think the problem with the MRV was that the various contractors didn't know how to implement the training, not the training packages themselves. Always comes back to this question: Who will train the trainers?

    But, I don't think the way D* went about it was a bad business decision. It's expensive to train trainers and just putting the product out there and letting the chips fall where they may actually seems to work. Not what you would do in an industrial setting, but installing an MRV network isn't inherently dangerous and you can get away with cutting corners.

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  2. Nov 2, 2010 #262 of 533
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    Agree, totally, I do. Nothing more worthless than training materials without someone who understands whatever it is you're trying to get across directing the training. And "hands on" is an absolute requirement for doing something such as installing an MRV system. The installers I have spoken to about their training all agreed that most people didn't understand it from the training materials, nobody could explain what the materials meant and half the class was asleep. The other thing to remember is that about 10% of what you're taught in a classroom is retained by most people. That's an industrial standard.

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  3. Nov 2, 2010 #263 of 533
    Herdfan

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    Teays...
    But don't you find it even a bit curious, without getting into the "new" or "old" standard terms, that they would develop 2 different incompatible (at least for now it seems) WHD systems? Some providers don't even have one, and here DirecTV is about to launch a second.

    A lot of money was spent on bringing us what we have now, but the "server" concept has been around for several years. Was it CES 2006 that they had the original HMC prototype? So they have been looking at the server based WHD for a while now.

    So why not just put 100% of your resources into this? Why even bother with the HR24 units? Just wait and go full server based WHD. Just seems like a lot of wasted money and time.
     
  4. Nov 2, 2010 #264 of 533
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    Dripping...
    VOS, the training video says no DECA's to be installed on the 24 series, even has a graphic that shows a box labled DECA internal in the box. So to me that's fairly clear, you install a 24 series box you don't install a DECA on it but there was a post in the past few days asking why his HR24 wasn't working on MRV, because a DECA was installed on it that's why.

    Does the WHDVR training video go into how to set up a SWiM install, no and why should it since SWiM is a seperate product, has been out in the field for awhile already and there was prior training on how to install that.

    IMHO, WHDVR setup isn't rocket science. The video/training shows you should have all green labled SWiM hardware and splitters. If you don't have green labled SWiM then you need BSF's and shows you where they need to be installed on the signal path back to the SWiM LNB/switch and any none WHDVR STB's.

    It shows how to connect to a customers router with specific steps to have customer verify that their internet is working before doing anything, verify that there is an open port on the router and if there isn't the customer must open one up, they are NOT to disconnect any cable from the router and when done have the customer verify that their internet is working. No hands on training needed for those simple steps but how many times do you see customer say their internet worked, DirecTV did their thing, and now internet doesn't work, sounds like installer not following that simple step.

    I believe DirecTV knows that training is still an issue since on this months vidoe they reshow the WHDVR setup video again.
     
  5. Nov 2, 2010 #265 of 533
    hdtvfan0001

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    Not really.

    They have different prices, target markets (user sophistication/needs), and installations.

    Its actually a smart move if "one size fits all" isn't the mantra. The fact that others don't have such options to me, seems like a shortcoming on their side of the fence.
     
  6. Nov 2, 2010 #266 of 533
    Richierich

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    Go Get Em RICH as I for one know that you Never Twist Words or Try To Insult Others In A Demeaning Way!!!

    In fact you started an Ongoing Thread to Help alot of people with their eSATA Drives!!!
     
  7. Nov 2, 2010 #267 of 533
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    So Back to Topic..

    The prototypes themselves closely resembled the HR24/H24 devices...other than size...so perhaps we'll see them be "green" and support the same audio connectivity....
     
  8. Nov 3, 2010 #268 of 533
    Rich

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    Sure hope we're the "sophisticated" folks. I'm fine with the MRV the way it is. I'd rather have a bunch of components and be able to change those components as needed than to have all my eggs in one basket.

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  9. Nov 3, 2010 #269 of 533
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    Rather interesting that he didn't answer my post, no? Or did I make another Ignore List? :)

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  10. Nov 3, 2010 #270 of 533
    hdtvfan0001

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    ...and you are not alone...which is why the HMC30 setup is seen as an alternative that satisfies a certain (different) portion of the viewing market.

    Not better...not worse...just different.
     
  11. Nov 3, 2010 #271 of 533
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    I gotta admit I'm still kinda hazy on just what the HMC will do. I get the idea from reading all these posts that it will be an all-in-one server and that must be a wrong assumption on my part. I hope. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to put "everything" in one box.

    I do like the server idea, but I much prefer the "server somewhere in cyberspace" model that most companies use and seem to back up in case the main server fails. For instance, my wife has no programs such as Microsoft Office on her computers, she accesses them from her company laptop at home or her desktop at work and uses the programs on the server and stores her files on that server (or banks of servers). But, imagine the chaos if a main server failed and we had all our recordings on it...

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  12. Nov 3, 2010 #272 of 533
    hdtvfan0001

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    You are not as "hazy" as you may have thought. :);)

    HMC30 will be a whole-home HD DVR server in one unit, supporting up to 5 "client" units. The client devices will not contain any tuners themselves - the HMC30 will have the multiple internal tuners to support the clients.

    This is an alternative installation solution using a one-HD DVR (server)and smaller-footprint client location device. It might have a few other features required for this new kind of deployment model, but otherwise, its an easier, simpler alternative way to deploy services when base HD DVR needs are required, and also lowers the cost for each client.
     
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    As hdtvfan mentioned, you actually have a fairly clear view of the HMC ;)
     
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    That's what I was afraid of. I don't think I could deal with that. No plans to integrate the HMC with the HRs?

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  15. Nov 3, 2010 #275 of 533
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    Does this make sense to you? I can see it for folks who only have one or two HRs and are willing to take a chance on the HMC being very reliable, but history tells us that is usually not the case with newly introduced products from D*.

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    If they offer some way of backing up the Recordings on the Main Server then it would be a very viable and practical application but if not then there are going to be alot of people who will be VERY MAD at Directv when their Main Server crashes due to a bad hard drive and they can't Retrieve their Recordings.
     
  17. Nov 3, 2010 #277 of 533
    hdtvfan0001

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    I've been a proponent of the need of "archiving important recordings" for years, and have followed this concept pretty closely.

    There is no backup in existence for any recordings on any DirecTV device at this time. I'd be surprised if the HMC30 would do anything differently.

    The only way to have multiple copies (backup) of a recording is to do it on more than one device (at this time). The same holds true with other providers.
     
  18. Nov 3, 2010 #278 of 533
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    DIRECTV could decide to Backup all of the HMC30 Servers on a Universal Directv Server so in the Event of a Crash Directv would simply Replace the HMC30 Server and then have it Request a Download from the Universal Directv Server and the Customer would be back in business without losing anything.
     
  19. Nov 3, 2010 #279 of 533
    hdtvfan0001

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    I'd bet a week of YOUR wages that it won't happen. ;):D
     
  20. Nov 3, 2010 #280 of 533
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    Exactly what I mean.

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