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HOA=Hiding Place for People with Napoleanic Complex

Discussion in 'The OT' started by LarryFlowers, Dec 3, 2009.

  1. Dec 12, 2009 #61 of 121
    SayWhat?

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    They don't specifically say this is an HOA, but it sounds like it;

    http://www.whas11.com/news/Family-told-to-remove-holiday-decorations-from-front-lawn-79070432.html
     
  2. Dec 12, 2009 #62 of 121
    rudeney

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    You have to realize that condos are a much different situation than single-family homes. The outside of a condo and the land around it are not the property of the homeowners. I do feel sorry for these people who want to display their Christmas decorations, but the bottom line is that this is not their property to use for that purpose.
     
  3. Dec 20, 2009 #63 of 121
    bicker1

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    And I cannot tell you how horribly selfish some people, who are unprepared to live in a condominium, treat our shared property. If they want to have solo and total control over the property and the building where they live, then why the *#@$ don't they buy a private home!?!?!?
     
  4. Dec 20, 2009 #64 of 121
    Stewart Vernon

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    I agree with that sentiment... except I did buy my own home, and am still subject to a HOA. It was impossible to find any new home construction in my area that wasn't in a HOA :(
     
  5. Dec 20, 2009 #65 of 121
    Ric

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    I think this is the situation why we need HOAs. Basically these folks are taking over a common area which is not personal space and placing personal property on it. Doesn't matter how long they have done it, they live in an area where the rules specifically state you cant do that. This just seems clear cut - sorry, you just can't take over space you don't own.
     
  6. Dec 20, 2009 #66 of 121
    rudeney

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    That's fairly common now. The only advice I can offer to you is that if you don't like the way things are run in your HOA, then get involved and change them! I know that some HOAs are run by the homeowners (like the one where I live) and others are run by corporations (like our beach condo). Either way, the purpose of these organizations is to protect the homeowner's as a group. The homeowners who want to take the time to volunteer and make a difference will be heard. Those who only want to show up and complain, well, we have ways of dealing with them, too! ;)
     
  7. Dec 20, 2009 #67 of 121
    davidjplatt

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    I am still surprised to see that people don't understand why HOA's or condominium associations or POA's (Property Owner's Associations) exist at all.

    Condominiums (and coops) are a different animal - there are typically larger common areas (for example, the exterior walls are owned by every owner as a group, the internal walls are owned by the homeowner) and many more maintenance items involved in condos/coops.

    But with HOA's/POA's there are smaller common areas (if any at all) and some HOA's/POA's don't have common areas at all.

    Typically the biggest reason to have an HOA/POA is to make sure that the community (including the homes) is maintained properly. Sometimes this includes parking lots and private roads that have costs associated with them - the HOA/POA apprortions the cost to each owner so everyone pays their fair share.

    And the biggest reason to maintain the community is to maintain property values. I have served on condo boards and HOA boards - I didn't get paid and all I got was grief so I don't volunteer anymore. I got tired of people taking the actions of the board personally and being convinced we didn't have pay assessments since we were on the BOD - every community I have every lived in (whether condo or HOA) had specific verbage in the documents prohibiting officers and board members from receiving any compenstation for their service.

    I personally feel it is worth the inconveniences and cost to make sure my neighbor doesn't paint their home pink in a community of brown/beige/tan townhomes or that they don't maintain their home and I don't have to deal with someone that won't buy my home because it's next door to a house that looks like crap.
     
  8. Dec 20, 2009 #68 of 121
    Supramom2000

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    In our HOA (which we don't belong to as I explained earlier), we had terrible problems with the snow-plow contract last year. We live at the furthest point of the neighborhood on a dead-end. There is a road above us that makes a huge loop connecting to the main road of the neighborhood. You can go either direction from the road above us to get to the main road, but both ways are hugely steep hills that really do require 4 wheel drive, or really good all wheel drive if the roads have not been taken care of. Well we had so much snow, that the plow driver got sloppier and sloppier and by the time he did the 2 hills and the road above us and our road, the path had narrowed to only 1 car width. If you came upon another car on the hill, you were screwed! And the school bus refused to come down the hill because even plowed, it was a pure sheet of ice and they did not sand it. 2 of our neighbors who are HOA members started asking for more help from the plow driver. They were ignored. They then started complaining, and vocifierously!! Still ignored. Finally, they told the HOA that the school busses were refusing to come down the hill and that it was dangerous for the kids so someone was going to get sued. They finally threw down some sand.

    So when the new HOA board was ready to elect new members, these 2 both volunteered as there had also been numerous problems with the money spent on the plowing. They were both told "no thanks, we aren't interested in having you on the board. " Then they held the elections in secret, with no announcement of time or location. They also voted themselves exempt from the road maintenence fees that cover the plowing and the fixing of the potholes and craters that appear after the ice melts in the spring.
     
  9. Dec 21, 2009 #69 of 121
    SayWhat?

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    I personally don't think it's anybody else's business if someone want to paint their house pink and purple or build a swimming pool on the roof. They bought (or built) it. They own it. What they do with it is up to them. If you don't like it; MOVE!!! As long as they don't pile trash 6 feet deep on the front lawn and harbor nests of rats, mind your own friggin' business. And if they do, file a complaint with the local health department.

    I would never even think of ragging on somebody because they put up a flag pole or an antenna or a fence or put some colored lights on a pine tree in the front yard. I'm a better person than that. Now if they were pumping out 1,000 watts from that antenna and interfering with my TV or radio, that would be different. But I'd file an official complaint with the FCC, not with a bunch of soccer mommies.

    But this is why I live in the country where my nearest neighbor is more that a quarter mile away and not in a McSubdivision where my $500,000 house is ten feet from my neighbor's $500,000 carbon copy house.
     
  10. Dec 21, 2009 #70 of 121
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    Ahhh Yes.
    The HOA's. As previously stated, the road to hell is paved with good intentions!

    The VP of the HOA of a home I lived in a few years ago lived kiddy-korner to me.
    Every other Thursday night a rather large gooseneck toyhauler (attatched to a newer year lifted crewcab full bed diesel american automotive) would appear in front of said home. The bumper of the automotive would extend just outside our property line (Awesome neighbor didn't mind. The kids house-sat for him for free on occasion, and his Mercedes had plenty of room to get by). The hitch receiver of the toyhauler sat flush with the other side of the houses' end of landscape.

    By the 4th trip (8 weeks) we started receiving letters of fines from our HOA for having the toy hauler in front of the house. We had 72 hours to move the toy-hauler or we'd be fined X amount of dollars everyday it remained in place.
    The funny thing is, by 7am on Friday morning, the entire setup (including the jeep parked in the garage, which was attached to the back of the toy-hauler in the morning) would 'mysteriously vanish'.
    We'd get home Sunday night, put the toy-hauler in storage (there wasn't adequate parking on the street for it, HOA or not) and the letter would be in our box.

    I had to stay home from a trip due to work and saw the mailman delivering the letter on friday.
    The VP of the HOA was trying to have us fined for having the toy-hauler parked in front of our house for about 24 hours.
    Ridiculous.

    At the time, I drove an 81 chevy. It had a few dents but was all light tan in color. Bullet hole in the passenger door and a white tailgate from an early 70's chevy.
    A few weeks later I ended up getting a flat tire, which gave me the oppurtunity to go from 33's to 35's.
    It found its way in front of the VPs front lawn on cinder blocks for an entire saturday while the toy-hauler was at Dumont, CA and a buddy and I took the rims and tires down to Jorge's for dismount/mounts.

    Aside from some misc. letters about garbage cans not being put away (I was lazy and used to hide them behind pillars leading into our home instead of dragging them across the rocks into the back yard), we didn't receive any more 72 hour notices re: vehicles. Including the old Ford Probe I had that sat in front of the house for 6 months because the tranny was blown :) :)
    (It too, was all one color, aside of a fender that had been replaced and was flat black awaiting paint).

    I'm not a fan of HOA's (I am a fan of story-telling though). I believe that they do help to keep people responsible for the maintenance of their home though.
    We've since moved to a 1/2 acre with plenty of parking, decent sized single-story home, horse corrals (definite gas saver when you don't have to drive to see them or pay fee's!), and a few decent neighbors, far outside the HOA.

    With more and more people staying inside, staying private (do you even know your neighbors names?), and some of them (usually the younger crowd) caring less about the appearance of their homes, HOAs *can be* a good thing.
     
  11. Dec 21, 2009 #71 of 121
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    The people have spoken. Seems like you might have been better off looking for some other place to live, where people are more of the same mind as you.
     
  12. Dec 21, 2009 #72 of 121
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    Right - the only reason I would get involved with running a HOA is to DISBAND IT !

    I would rather live in a single wide trailer in the country than have a HOA to deal with - I practically walked from my current house when they come up on closing day with documents - turns out that the "association" is dead here - and I like it that way.
     
  13. Dec 21, 2009 #73 of 121
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    Someone should check the covenants and by-laws to see if that was "legal' action on the part of the board. In our case, board members are elected by open vote at the annual meeting where all homeowners may attend, and we are required to post notice of the meeting. Luckily, we don't have to maintain streets as that is the job of the city (and we don't plow snow here in Alabama!) Still, we have had some issues with board members, usually when they try to be too controlling. We have a provision to remove them, but we've never had to do that, and we've never turned down a volunteer! Your situation really makes me thankful that ours is so neighborly.
     
  14. Dec 21, 2009 #74 of 121
    rudeney

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    Good for you! But for those of us that do choose to live in McSubdividions, we have to deal with covenants and HOA's and we do generally want the neighborhood looking uniform and attractive to maintain our property values.

    As with most things in life, I have found that approaching problems with a positive attitude generally gets them solved more quickly. We do many more positive things with our HOA than negative. We have block parties, ice cream socials, clean up days (where the HOA supplies dumpsters and equipment) and we recognize neighbors for having exceptionally well landscaped years and nice holiday decorations. We hope that promoting a sense of community rather than a police state will encourage our neighbors to maintain their property according to the covenants. When they don't we still have to step in and work to solve the problem.
     
  15. Dec 21, 2009 #75 of 121
    Stewart Vernon

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    I still say again... I am confused at how many people love their HOAs but hate their government for trying to "maintain uniformity"...

    People messing in other people's business, and attempting to mandate their behavior is just as offensive no matter what you call the entity.
     
  16. Dec 21, 2009 #76 of 121
    Supramom2000

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    Agree 100%. But only on the HOA do you have an easier choice for opting out.
     
  17. Dec 21, 2009 #77 of 121
    sigma1914

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    Nah, you can move in both cases. ;)
     
  18. Dec 21, 2009 #78 of 121
    dodge boy

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    I pay $30 quarterly for 1 time a week pick up no hassles of recylcing or seperating......
     
  19. Dec 21, 2009 #79 of 121
    dodge boy

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    Canada is calling :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Although I prefer real French chicks to FROGS....
     
  20. Dec 21, 2009 #80 of 121
    Supramom2000

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    Luckily, I prefer neither!! :D


    Ha! Notice I said "easier choice"!! :p
     

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