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Hopper AUTO Hop Feature

Discussion in 'Hopper System Support Forum' started by leier911, May 10, 2012.

  1. Bill L

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    This is best thing since sliced bread. We used it on 2 shows. It worked flawlessly.
     
  2. Ray C@DISH Network

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    I'm glad to hear you are enjoying this feature. Thanks!

     
  3. kenglish

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    Does this work on the local station's feeds, or is this some sort of national network feed only?
     
  4. RasputinAXP

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    Local stations only.
     
  5. Ray C@DISH Network

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    It works on select nationally broadcast PTAT recordings. You will see a Red kangaroo in the upper right hand corner of the recording. Thanks.

     
  6. dvrblogger

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    Anyone know how it works do they detect the commercials or send some type of playlist to box to skip certain points in the show ?
     
  7. BonefishPaul

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    It's the latter.
     
  8. cypherx

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    Did anyone see the NYT article today on this feature?
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/b...s-and-causes-tremors-at-tv-upfronts.html?_r=1

    Of course the broadcasters are upset. But yet its ok if I push skip 5 or 6 times over commercials but god forbid you auto skip (with limitations I might add) they are still upset.

    The fact that this doesn't go into effect until 1 AM is no different than me recording on a DirecTV or Comcast DVR, playing back the recording the next day and hitting 30skip 5 or 6 times. How dare these broadcasters put this feature under fire. Have they not heard of a DVR?
     
  9. Stewart Vernon

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    Do you not understand the significant difference between you having to skip 30 times vs saying "yes" once and having all the skips done automatically?

    The Auto Hop removes all possibility of you seeing commercials during that program... Manual skipping means you can't help but see snippets and sometimes a whole commercial from time to time.

    The difference from the advertiser perspective is that manual skipping means a customer might still see their commercial at least in part VS Auto Hop where you see zero nada zilch.
     
  10. cypherx

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    Right but I'm so quick with 30 skip and 6 sec back and can time it near perfect every time. The only time I let commercials play is if I want to go to the bathroom quick or get something from the kitchen or bring up laundry.

    I just don't have time for commercials. Between work, stuff around the house to do, have to eat, and all the shows... Life's too busy for commercials.
     
  11. Stewart Vernon

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    The other problem is that people berate commercials, but don't want to pay more for their TV... and the costs would go up without commercials.

    I really don't see what the big deal is about commercials... even if you actually had to sit and watch (like in the old pre-DVR days) there are far worse things in the world.
     
  12. djlong

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    Stewart: That's the old Catholic-school Nun tactic. No matter how bad your life was, someone else's was worse so how dare you complain!

    Years later I finally figured out what was wrong with that.

    Just because someone else is worse doesn't make my pain any less painful (though it can help for putting things in perspective).

    Just because there are worse things than sitting through commercials doesn't mean it ISN'T a pain and you CAN'T complain about it in an appropriate forum.
     
  13. sregener

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    Would they pay more? Maybe you'd pay more for satellite and less for Tide and your new car. We pay for the commercials every time we buy an advertised product. Whether we watch the ads or not. When it comes to commercials, we (viewers) are the product being sold to the advertisers and the program is the bait.

    The big deal for commercials was made plain to me when I bought my first DVR. My time is limited. I could start watching an hour-long show 15 minutes after it started, and still watch the end at the same time as those who watched it live. But those extra 15 minutes I gained for doing something productive was worth far more than sitting through 15 minutes of ads. Say you watch 30 minutes of commercials a night. In 365 days, that's over 182 hours of your life gone. Over a week of time. What could you accomplish with an extra week every year? How many books could you read in that time? How much more time to spend with your spouse, children or friends? How much sleep could you catch up on but can't because you're "too busy"?

    People tend to have no sense of time when it comes to television. I took a few 6-month breaks from all videos - television, movies, Youtube - and when people heard, they'd almost all say, "I don't watch much television." And then they'd list their shows and it added up to over an hour a day. When I was brave, I asked if they talked with their spouse that much, or played with their children that much and if they did, would they classify it as "not much"? Talk about your conversation killer.
     
  14. Stewart Vernon

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    The bottom line, though... is saying commercials are a "pain" does do a disservice to people actually in pain, does it not?

    And if watching a few commercials really does waste your time and ruin the TV watching experience, maybe you should go read a book instead.

    I like my DVR and I do skip commercials when I record stuff... but I also recognize commercials are a necessary "evil" that helps to pay for a lot of the content we watch. Without those commercials, some programming wouldn't exist at all and other programming would be much more expensive to watch.

    Be careful what you wish for... eliminating commercials could raise rates more than you bargain for.
     
  15. Stuart Sweet

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    Stuff like this reminds me of this quote:

    I wonder if DISH considered the repercussions of this before they started.
     
  16. cypherx

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    So I gather the mods do not like the auto hop feature? Keep in mind it doesn't work until 1AM next day.

    Edit: on second thought, my question here is who likes this feature?
     
  17. sregener

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    If you want to play word games, call it an annoyance. Most people understand that when you call something a pain, you mean that metaphorically it gets on your nerves, not that it actually causes physical pain.

    I think we've all seen the increase of commercials. It used to be 10 minutes an hour. Now it's 20 on some programs. That's 1/3 of the programming time. And for what? I'm sorry, but a work truck is not in my future - I don't do that kind of work. So how many times do I watch a Toyota Tundra go up a metal structure lit up in flames, or another pointless Ford vs Chevy commercial? How many minutes of my life should I spend on that? I'm not about to go buy Pepsi - I don't like the way it tastes. I don't drink beer, but should I really watch a commercial for Miller Lite or Budweiser or whatever? The reality is that I am no longer in the desired demographic and it's a miracle when a show comes along that actually appeals to me. If it does, I can be sure it will be cancelled soon, and it's not because I don't watch the commercials. It's because of the demographics that say (properly) that I am unlikely to change my buying behavior because of a 30-second ad, no matter how many times I see it or how many claims it makes.

    I watch very little scripted television. I watch some sports, but I also have a family and a life that says if I can watch a 3-hour football game in 1 hour by skipping commercials and halftime, that's 2 hours I can spend on other things that matter to me instead of watching commercials that are meant for somebody else.
     
  18. Stewart Vernon

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    What causes you to come to that conclusion?

    I am a mod... and I like the feature. I also recognize the importance of commercials in funding "free" programming that I enjoy... and I fully expect networks to complain about Auto Hop.

    I think I've said that I like my DVR and I skip commercials a lot too... but I'm not fooling myself. I know that as commercial skipping becomes more and more common, that advertisers are going to stop wanting to pay for ad spots... and as that happens either networks are going to start wanting more for carriage OR stop developing good TV shows.

    As much as I sometimes find commercials to be boring or even a "waste" of time to be ignored in favor of a bathroom trip or snack run... I also would hate it if they went away and I had to pay a lot more to watch TV than I already do.
     
  19. James Long

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    I doubt if the Hopper will become unleashed and kill us all. It isn't cloning dinos!

    And DISH has done the discipline. They have been developing DVRs as long as anyone else.

    PTA is the "killer feature" of the Hopper ... and AutoHOP just makes it better. I could live without it but give me a few weeks and I won't want to.

    BTW: That means I like the feature. And I am a moderator.
     
  20. Stuart Sweet

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    I can see how you'd get that from my post. Truth is I just don't know. I don't know what the repercussions are or what they could be. I think it's a cool feature for one person but if it brings down the entirety of broadcast television, that's not a good thing.
     

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