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House passes befinery expansion bill that would lower gas prices.

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Steveox, Jun 17, 2004.

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  1. Steveox

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    Yes it would lower gas prices.This will determine if the democrats are gonna win or lose this election.But watch tom daschile reject this bill and will sure hurt his re-election chances and senate will pick up 10 more G.O.P Seats.
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  2. lee635

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    From the same article, "GOP leaders also unexpectedly abandoned plans to take up once again the issue of oil drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge after it became uncertain they had enough votes to get the bill passed."

    "It pre-empts state and local environmental agencies" enforcing pollution controls on refineries, said William Becker, executive director of two associations that represent state and local air pollution control agencies. "The bill will obstruct state and local efforts to achieve and maintain clean, healthful air."

    So much for republicans respect for states rights and seperation of powers.
     
  3. RichW

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    What is a "befinery" - a factory that turns bull excrement into fuel?

    If so we can make a fortune for dbstalk.com
     
  4. lee635

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    Hey steveox did you turn your little dish icon around, I thought it pointed to the right and now it's aimed to the left?
     
  5. Steveox

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    Its a radar dish.Its keeping us safe from Al Queda.
     
  6. Nick

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    The...
    Befinery: be-'fine-er-y -adjective
    1. A brutha wearing 16 lbs of bling, escorting a ho
    wearing a skirt that doesn't quite cover her assets.
    2. Unbelievable uncorrected typographical error due
    due to failure to review title before posting
     
  7. Ray_Clum

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    Right... Look, my avatar is a fighting Cardinal ready to light on them too...
     
  8. Steveox

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    And this is my bird ray
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    Meaner than your bird.
     
  9. waydwolf

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    Well, we can either expand refinery capacity and increase supply to lower cost or we can let these little namby-pamby NIMBY dips stop it and watch as their environmentally protected turf is littered with unemployed people, gas prices topping $4/gallon, businesses unable to attract help from a distance greater than walking distance...

    Anyone care to move in with their company? Anyone want to have to live within one mile of their job? As in no choice because you cannot afford to drive any more?

    Meanwhile, the Democrats in every locale here will do all they can to keep gasoline taxes through the roof. After all, in their minds if we can bear $2/gallon despite the hardship, why shouldn't they increase gas taxes even as the retail price otherwise drops such that they take more and more of our money to put where they think better to spend it than we poor idiot burgeouisie?
     
  10. Jacob S

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    Not only may the government try to get more taxes as the price of gasoline drops (for the wholesalers) but the wholesalers may want to make more money off of the gas taking advantage of the price drop. The prices could drop to wholesale levels near what it was when gas retailed for $1.00-$1.50 before but end up being $1.80-$2.00+ a gallon because someone wanted to make more profit and/or more taxes.
     
  11. HappyGoLucky

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    So you would not object to a refinery built behind your house or next to your child's school?
     
  12. Mike123abc

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    Well for one thing there is plenty of open countryside... I bet almost anywhere you see a refinery near housing or a school the refinery was built first. They build these things in industrial areas. To use the argument that it is going to be built in a residential area is just silly and just trying to play on peoples emotions.
     
  13. HappyGoLucky

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    You're the one complaining about the NIMBY people in relation to new refineries. So answer the question, would you be one of those NIMBY people should Exxon decide to build behind your house or next to your child's school?
     
  14. SimpleSimon

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    The point Mile's making is that NIMBY's will come out no matter where the new refinery is proposed. Maybe NIMBY is the wrong term - it's more likely the Greenies.
     
  15. Mike123abc

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    I live in a town of about 100,000 people, it is over 50 miles to the next town of any size. They are welcome to come build a refinery here, within 5 miles in any direction is just open country, just farms and ranches. Many would probably love to sell their land cheap. It would bring jobs to town and only be a few minutes to commute there (can be 10 miles out in the middle of no where and be accessible within 10 minutes, we do have 70MPH speed limits here on back country roads).

    The town I went to high school in, where my parents live and where I go to every week, has a giant refinery. It is about 10 miles out of town, has never been near a school or housing. There has never been an issue.

    Happy you need to get up in a plane and fly over the middle of the country and look down... There is a *LOT* of completely empty land.
     
  16. HappyGoLucky

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    You still avoid the question. And FYI I grew up in the extremely rural mountains of southwest Virginia. It is 30 miles to the nearest grocery store or bank or restaurant. The nearest big cities are at least an hour drive. The county population of people is about 9000, of cows about 50,000. It is not unusual to see mason jars of moonshine in the kitchen cabinet, for medicinal purposes of course :sure: . From my house I could not see any others, my parents have about 75 acres of completely virgin woods. It has never been logged, there are 3 fields of about 3 to 6 acres each that were once used for growing tobacco but now are just kept clean, with some small plots of grains grown to feed the deer and turkeys and other wildlife in the area. So I do know something about "empty land".
     
  17. Mike123abc

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    The point is that they could come and build a refinery in my area, and I have lived near them before with out any problems. No, they are not stupid enough to try to build one in a neighborhood next to a school. Why go through all the hassel when you can go so many places in the US. I think a refinery would be a source of good jobs in my community as I mentioned above would welcome one coming to build one. No, I do not expect them to build one in the city, but near the city.

    For some odd reason you keep insisting that they plan to build next to schools and houses. Please site a source that shows them wanting to do that and quit saying over and over that they plan to... Just because you type it over and over does not make it true.
     
  18. SimpleSimon

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    HGL: Your question about refinery location is a straw man, that's all. The refineries would not be placed in residential areas. Local zoning wouldn't allow it. The EPA wouldn't allow it, and so forth. In addition, the lack of local industrial infrastructure would make such a location a poor choice anyway.
    Finally, residential real estate is much more expensive than industrial, so on that basis alone, it makes n economic sense.
     
  19. RAD

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    Dripping...
    The oil companies aren't any rush to build new refineries, a shortage or supply's what's helping to keep prices high and that benefits who, the oil companies. Also with all the government regulations it's not worth it to them to upgrade older plants to meet new EPA rules so they just shut them down. I think we all just need to get used to these new price levels.
     
  20. HappyGoLucky

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    Again, the only reason I mentioned it is because YOU are the one who complained about the NIMBY people. So, if there are not going to be any refineries in anyone's back yard, then there are no NIMBY people. Perhaps you should rephrase your own statement if you did not mean "NIMBY".
     
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