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How to get >2Tb storage??

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by trstew, Mar 15, 2012.

  1. May 9, 2012 #161 of 212
    Shades228

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    There are about 3 different things being discussed here:

    The 2 TB limit is kernel limited and while it could be updated, probably without any real issues, however DIRECTV has no reason to do so as they aren't putting HD's that large in machines.

    Being able to archive a drive to save recordings when replacing a receiver. This could be possible depending on the failure of the unit if they added the function to make an image creator and loader into the OS. However this would require supporting external HDs officially.

    Archiving programs for personal use which at this stage in the game isn't even on anyones radar. For every reason you want to do it the companies have not to do it. The bottom line is because it would negatively impact the bottom line.
     
  2. May 9, 2012 #162 of 212
    P Smith

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    Nice attempt to move away for real current implementation of archiving on EHD by a competitor. But not smart being an ostrich. :)
     
  3. May 9, 2012 #163 of 212
    Shades228

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    I think you're reading into it too much.
     
  4. Sunner73

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    It's unfortunate that you have to pay $6 each = $18 "every" month just to have the redundancy.

    Think about the $216/yr you could be keeping in your pocket "IF" for example marrying the recordings to the account # instead of the current RID #.

    Hopefully someday.....
     
  5. Richierich

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  6. Richierich

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    Philip, the CEO of Morega, which developed Nomad has stated to me and HDTVFANBOY at CES 2012 that they would like to Implement Archiving and they could easily do it as it is just Offloading an Image Copy of the Recording without having to Transcode it.

    The 30 Day Rule would not apply as it is not Viewable on the USB External Hard Drive.

    You also could not Offload the Recording to a Friend's PC unless the PC was Registered and Authenticated by Directv.

    You could also Offload it to a 3 or 4 TB USB External Hard Drive without a Problem because you are just Storing Image Copies for later Restoration to a Particular DVR (it could be any DVR that is tied to your Account # Via the Authentication Server).

    It is all up to Directv to choose the Path that they want to take if they decide to Allow Archiving and I have been told by Reputable Directv Sources that they are discussing Archiving and will come out with a Method in the not too distant Future. :D
     
  7. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Of course to some folks...that's considered "blowing smoke"... ;) :D
    Certainly a valid point.
     
  8. unixguru

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    Satellite broadcasts and DVR are not the only plausible means to provide the functionality that we want. Consider how many copies of any given show are sitting on drives in homes. Why is that storage any more excessive than centralized storage? Storage in the cloud is massive and growing more massive by the second - Google/Youtube/Amazon/Apple/...

    Cloud storage is preferable. Minimal redundancy (copies/RAID/replication), robust power (UPS/generators) and cooling, efficiencies of scale, etc, etc.

    Every single program that is broadcast is in fact stored somewhere and increasingly digitally. Older stuff is probably on original film roll or digital tape. May not be immediately accessible but could be brought online soon enough. Large data centers typically have huge robots that manage digital tape. Worst case, a body has to go pull media off a shelf and mount it in a drive - which can then be cached in online storage. Why not have the content owners provide streams on demand? Delivery services like D* could just be proxies for those streams which would not require them to store anything. They are just a proxy now for broadcasts.

    The limitation today is the bandwidth from the content owner to the customer. As the internet bandwidth continues to grow this will eventually not be an issue.

    The consumers device should be a cache only. Tell it what you want and it brings it into its cache. Sort of like on demand only predictive - for series pre-cache a certain number of episodes, when you've watched and deleted one it queues up the next. This isolates the viewer from the bandwidth limitations. Who cares if it takes 4 hours to download a 1 hour program. If the consumers device fails just drop in a new one and it re-caches everything the old one had. Only 1 cache/server per home is needed.

    With sufficient internet bandwidth there is no need for satellite. Or better yet, convert the satellite service from rebroadcast of hundreds of channels to all on demand delivery. When the same program is requested by multiple consumer devices it can transmit that stream once to all of them.

    A fitting pricing model is a minimum subscription for the service and the device in the home plus pay-per-view for every program. Obviously with program cost low enough that it's cheaper for most people than todays model and re-watching a program months later is worth the cost (maybe even charge less per view after the first). Actually, the first view should pay for all the "content" and subsequent views should only charge for the infrastructure to deliver the already-paid-for content. They could even provide a with-commerical and without-commercial with appropriate price difference.

    This would be a revolutionary advancement. Maybe it's what Apple is working on. Broadcasting should go the same way as CD and book stores. The content providers would be wise to enable this as soon as possible.
     
  9. hdtvfan0001

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    Thanks for the reaffirmation Stuart.
     
  10. Mike Bertelson

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    The one thing that would be hard to get around is being a DIRECTV subscriber. If we leave DIRECTV the recordings are no longer viewable.

    To archive it would also have to be some standard format that doesn’t require a proprietary client to view the recordings. I’m pretty sure that will never happen so would Morega/DIRECTV go through the effort to allow such archiving if they have no control over the DRM? Would the broadcasters be on board with that?

    Mike
     
  11. hdtvfan0001

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    That's actually a fascinating point Mike.

    Since the controls are in place to manage access via subscriber authentication...perhaps that could be leveraged somehow to accomplish household use (only) of external storage. Perhaps that infrastructure could allow DirecTV to enforce and ensure copy protection compliance. :shrug:
     
  13. Rich

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    I don't know what to think about this. I do know I won't get a 34 unless D* changes the policy to allow all HDDs on an account to be read by all HRs on the same account. I know, as you do, the technology exists for this change, but at what cost?

    The HD GUI really didn't bother my HRs all that much (still haven't received the new NR), certainly not as much as it seems to have bothered other folks and their HRs. I gotta admit I'm a little apprehensive about a change in how the HDDs work inside an account and how well D* will implement that change.

    Rich
     
  14. Rich

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    Agreed, I've had a whole lot more DVR failures than HDD failures.

    Rich
     
  15. Rich

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    There's a question that begs an answer.

    Rich
     
  16. David Ortiz

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    Does anyone remember the original mp3.com? It was an awesome site. You used your own CDs to confirm ownership. You were then able to access those tracks which had already been ripped by mp3.com for streaming to wherever you were signed in. It was a sad day when it disappeared, but it was an idea before its time. Since then, the music industry has been transformed and CDs are near death's door.

    What's next at this point is anyone's guess. "Cloud" storage to rescue recordings from dead DVRs? Why not? The push to access TV "everywhere" has certainly laid the groundwork required from a rights standpoint.
     
  17. P Smith

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    Why use a 'iPhone' to hammering nails ?

    All shows must be in the Cloud - all originals, just give/sell access to them.
    Dump all the middleman provides (sat, cable, etc ) , give 1 Gb optical cable to each home, make 1 Tb backbones ...

    Turn the digital world to us !
     
  18. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Love this idea! I'm ready for completely free everything!

    I wonder how many $ trillions it'd take to build out? Maybe the Chinese gov't will gift it to the people of these United States.....?
     
  19. hdtvfan0001

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    :lol: Don't expect it to "appear" anytime *soon*...and I suspect you don't. :D

    There are also still plenty of concerns from corporate America when it comes to cloud use. For applications with secure or sensitive data, those aspects require a sophisticated (and expensive) infrastructure.

    At the end of the day...opening up local HDD storage to 2TB (or more some day perhaps) is the easiest and most economical path for the near term.
     
  20. harsh

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    And having the 30 day limit now does?
     

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