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How to get significantly viewed dma stations added

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by StephenJC, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. Mar 1, 2013 #61 of 202
    damondlt

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    NO I know what your saying but its not the same As I explained.

    Directv also backed up my statement. If the other Networks don't disapprove of this then its OK. They would already be lit up in your line up.

    These are Grandfathered cable clauses back long before Directv ever offered Binghamton or Scranton Wilkes barre locals period.
     
  2. Mar 1, 2013 #62 of 202
    joshjr

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    Its probably not worth fighting for a CW affiliate. That being said, the way I read your post he didnt want to do it because they were not allowed. Nothing about it was okay for Cable. Cable laws are different but I am sure the same rule of thumb applies and no affiliate wants another DMA's affiliate of the same network to air in their market regardless of it being on cable or satellite. To each their own. This fight might not be worth fighting but I can tell you if I took everyone for their initial responses, I would have no DNS stations and my county would have no significantly viewed stations either. Only the people who are passionate enough to find a way to make it happen or people who just get really lucky will get this this kind of stuff done. If your okay with leaving it as it lays then I am sorry it didnt work out but happy I tried to help you anyways.
     
  3. Mar 1, 2013 #63 of 202
    damondlt

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    Well what do you suggest, hound the GM, where will that get me?

    Give me a number of someone who will get it done.

    It sounds like in your case Directv had the approval from the networks, they just didn't have them lit up for you.

    You want to help , call NY4 and NY5. I just talked to WBMG General Manager for 25 minutes. Its not something he can change. So tell me what to do?:shrug:

    Still haven't heard back from NY city networks.
     
  4. Mar 1, 2013 #64 of 202
    joshjr

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    I dont know if I believe all this either. Let me share something with you. We did not have any locals here a few years ago. The same guy (Danny Thomas) is over both the CBS and the FOX in my DMA. He openly told me he hated DirecTV and would never allow them to air his stations. Well when his demands were not being met with Dish in the renegotiation and my county offered CBS out of Tulsa to us, he quickly changed his mind.

    He also would not sign off on any of my waivers prior to the locals. Besides the fact that someone else must have approved my waivers, I know for a fact that he would never approve of the significantly viewed stations we are getting. One of them is a CBS and I know he would not allow it if he could stop it. The law says DirecTV can do it. I am not saying that in some cases this is not true but I know in this case if it were true Danny would see to it DirecTV followed it.

    Just to rub his smugness in his face I posted on his CBS's page a month or so ago. They posted a question asking what everyone was looking forward to the most about watching the Super Bowl on CBS and I post that I would be watching it on a out of market DMA's channel and not his and thank you to DirecTV for making it happen.

    Also when I was working with the out of market DMA stations to get them added as significantly viewed I asked 3 different networks if that was an issue for them and only 1 said maybe. Then they came back and said we have new owners now and its not an issue.
     
  5. Mar 1, 2013 #65 of 202
    damondlt

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    I'm almost positive the Law is Directv is not aloud to provide out of market locals to DMA with IN market locals.
    That was the SHIVA act
     
  6. Mar 1, 2013 #66 of 202
    damondlt

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    http://www.fcc.gov/guides/service-options-satellite-subscribers


    Reception of “Significantly-Viewed” Stations

    If you subscribe to local-into-local service and don’t qualify as an “unserved household,” you may be eligible to receive some distant stations if those stations are considered “significantly-viewed.” Your satellite TV company decides whether and which significantly-viewed stations to offer. You must be subscribing to local-into-local service to be eligible to receive significantly-viewed stations. Check with your satellite TV company to see if you qualify and what stations are on the significantly-viewed list for your area.



    So this sounds more like Directv issue then Networks
     
  7. Mar 1, 2013 #67 of 202
    joshjr

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    With the exception being SIGNIFICANTLY VIEWED stations. I will try to track this down later.
     
  8. Mar 1, 2013 #68 of 202
    joshjr

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    Below is part of this, most of it anyways. I am sure I can find where significantly viewed stations are not required to black out programming either. Click on this link and go to #15 on page 9 and start reading down. I will throw some highlights in here. The below comments do not say anything about if allowed or pending this or that other than they have to provide notice to the local station before providing the significantly viewed station. Like I said earlier, Danny Thomas would stop this if he could. Now reading this I know he is aware that some of his DMA gets an out of market CBS and soon (hopefully) FOX as well. I see nowhere where they can stop it. The only thing I think think of is a network agreement but that seems to differ between affiliates.

    http://www.fcc.gov/document/stela-report-state-broadcast-programming-congress

    . Section 122(a)(2) explicitly limits significantly viewed to the rules as adopted by the Commission as of April 15, 1976. Satellite carriers are required to provide notice to local stations before they commence carriage of significantly viewed stations. This notice requirement does not apply to cable systems carriage of significantly viewed stations. There are no market modification provisions regarding satellite carriers similar to those for cable operators.
     
  9. Mar 1, 2013 #69 of 202
    Mike Bertelson

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    The law on significantly view does say that just because a station qualifies to make the FCC's list doesn't mean the sat providers can carry it.

    Basically the list doesn't mean squat. For New London, CT there's five stations listed from RI but DIRECTV only carries two of them & only in SD.

    Mike
     
  10. Mar 1, 2013 #70 of 202
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    I wish we had it. I live out near Lancaster County, PA, but in Chester County (Philly DMA). WGAL is from Lancaster City and it was easy to pick up OTA in the analog days. (they want digital channel 8, but I now only have a UHF antenna).

    Comcast carries it, but D* doesn't.

    Wish they would.
     
  11. Mar 1, 2013 #71 of 202
    damondlt

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    Yep this is what I gathered from the phone call I made. I think most cases its beyond the control of Directv and the Neighboring markets.
    NO means NO! Or its Lawsuits that out of market networks won't get involved in. I don't blaim them.:)



    But the fact that Directv is able to offer DNS service based on their abilities , I think they should be aloud to offer them for a Fee to any costomer that wants to pay for them.

    My question is why can Dish customers get a Full superstaion pack , But Directv can't offer the other DNS channels?
     
  12. Mar 4, 2013 #72 of 202
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    Okay, the lower list I might be able to help with at a later date but for now I will focus on WABC. I called the Blue Ridge Cable Co and they were not very bright at all. I found that they had WABC on their Milford PA channel lineup but needed to know if that is part of the New York DMA or your DMA. They did not know much to my surprise. I had to ask my contact with the FCC. I have called and left a message with the Chief Engineer at WABC to call me back. At this time WABC is not on the significantly viewed list and the only thing they might relate to so far is that WCBS and WNBC are significantly viewed in your county.

    I would like to find a cable co that is in Monroe county that carries WABC. Maybe if you could help me with a list of cable companies there if you know them. I can search more online too but am not familiar with that area of the country. It would also help if I knew the town you lived in. The close the town to you in Monroe county that carries WABC the better.
     
  13. Mar 4, 2013 #73 of 202
    joshjr

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    I just got a call back from Kurt Hanson (Chief Engineer) who seemed not that interested. I explained the position and the need and that WNBC and WCBS were already on the list and he said he would speak with the legal team and see if they want to do it. I will wait a week and call him back to see what they say.
     
  14. Mar 4, 2013 #74 of 202
    KyL416

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    Milford is in Pike country which is part of the NYC DMA.

    I live in Tobyhanna, unfortunately I don't know of any cable provider that has WABC in our county. Maybe one of the towns that border Pike country have it, but the main Blue Ridge system that serves Monroe county doesn't have it. The fact that they're not on the list while the others are on the list could have something to do with it. It's interesting though that out of all the NYC big 4 stations, WABC isn't on any of the lists, even in the other direction where WCBS, WNBC and WNYW are on the list for several counties in the Hartford market. DirecTV does provide them to portions of that market, but not here. Oddly enough after the digital transition, WABC is the only NYC station we get over the air on a semi-regular basis and would probably get on a regular basis if I didn't have to keep the antenna pointed in the opposite direction to get our local CBS and NBC station.

    As for WPIX and WWOR they likely had no motive to get on the list when it was drawn up in the 70s since they were still independent stations with no competing affiliate the cable systems had to protect. They also had carriage on many out of market cable systems via their old superstation C-Band feeds that up until the late 80s were simulcasts of the over the air station.

    WNYW is also on the list for our county, the cable system just doesn't carry it anymore because WOLF forced them off. Not sure if that would apply to satellite though since the significantly viewed lists also protects the out of market station from being blacked out.
     
  15. Mar 4, 2013 #75 of 202
    joshjr

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    Man, this is really pushing it. There is little upside to the affiliates to do this (WNBC & WNYW). They are 100 miles away from your county, no major NY station is offered there even though they are on the significantly viewed list. I guess the best thing going is the fact that they are on the list and had to request to be added to it to get that status. That being said, I doubt they were asking for this area. Both stations are a VHF station which would be difficult to get even on an antenna. I will still make the effort but just know the chances are slim here.

    As for WBNG, can you clarify if it is CBS or CW you are really after? Only the CW is on the list as significantly viewed. It looks like once upon a time this station was a major network. You are fortunate that the CW is on the list but less fortunate that it is not the CBS sister channel. I will try to follow up on this as well.
     
  16. Mar 4, 2013 #76 of 202
    damondlt

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    Blue ridge cable has WABC 7 in Wayne and Pike countys. Not Monroe.
    Last I checked Blue ridge was the only Cable Provider in Monroe county
     
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    joshjr

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    This one is kind of a 50/50 shot. The odds at adding them to the significantly viewed list is better then actually getting their channel. At the risk of it already being posted, are you getting any of the other 3 significantly viewed stations on DirecTV currently? If you are it will help. If not, at least the other 3 are on the list and that could help.
     
  18. Mar 4, 2013 #78 of 202
    damondlt

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    Yes it does apply.

    The networks have contracts that prevents other networks from broadcasting their feeds in their Home DMA's.

    This was explained to me.


    Significantly View doesn't mean squat! Bottom line! Directv already said if they were aloud they would be on already.
     
  19. Mar 4, 2013 #79 of 202
    damondlt

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    He's not I know for a fact. He is in the same DMA as me.
     
  20. Mar 4, 2013 #80 of 202
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    Nope, last I checked DirecTV isn't providing significantly viewed stations for any county in our market but they are in the opposite direction where the same 3 are available for several counties in the Hartford/New Haven market.
     

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