According to the fcc database Ashtabula County OH has 3 stations from the Erie DMA listed as Significantly viewed. How would I go about getting them added to my local lineup?
I will find the proof later (about to leave work). As for the other part, I am not in the Tulsa DMA. I am in the Pittsburg/Joplin DMA and they would NEVER EVER approve of us getting Tulsa. I am 100% confident they would stop it if they could. Maybe it will happen in a few years when their current agreement runs out but until that day comes if ever , I am gonna enjoy it.damondlt said:I believe you. Thats not what I said show me about. Show me where the Rules for Significanly viewed channels are different then DNS.
Also if your Tulsa ABC didn't approve of the other ABC, it would not be in your line up.
I am happy you are happy about this. No one ever said they had to carry these stations. We simply said it was an option and if you want them, get your hands dirty and try like I did.damondlt said:THANK YOU!!!!! This is Exactly what I was told by Directv , and 3 General Managers from 3 Different Networks.
On page one I linked to both the list and the law.damondlt said:THANK YOU!!!!! This is Exactly what I was told by Directv , and 3 General Managers from 3 Different Networks.
Pike county PA is a PA market on Blue ridge Cable. Dispute all you want.KyL416 said:There's no such thing as a cable DMA vs Satellite DMA. DMA's are set by Nielsen and are universal to satelite, cable and OTA. They consider Pike county as part of the NYC DMA.
Its not an option if Networks don't agree to a deal with each other. Got nothing to do with getting hands dirty.joshjr said:I am happy you are happy about this. No one ever said they had to carry these stations. We simply said it was an option and if you want them, get your hands dirty and try like I did.
Page 9. See bold below. I think this spells it out pretty good. Have a great evening gentlemen.damondlt said:Show me!
You don't read do you!joshjr said:Page 9. See bold below. I think this spells it out pretty good. Have a great evening gentlemen.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-11-1454A1.pdf
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The 2004 Satellite Home Viewer Extension and Reauthorization Act of 2004 (SHVERA) expanded the statutory copyright license to allow satellite carriers to carry significantly viewed stations, which are treated as local stations with respect to a particular satellite community in another market, thus, allowing them to be carried by the satellite carrier in that community in the other market. Satellite carriers are not required to carry out of market significantly viewed stations. If they do carry such significantly viewed stations, retransmission consent is required. STELA reauthorizes the statutory copyright license for satellite carriage of significantly viewed stations and moves that license from the
distant signal statutory copyright license provisions in 17 U.S.C. Section 119(a)(3) to the local signal statutory copyright license provisions in 17 U.S.C. Section 122(a)(2). By so doing, Congress now defines significantly viewed signals as another type of local signal, rather than as an exception to distant signals, and consequently, the significantly viewed signal license does not expire on December 31, 2014, when the distant signal license is set to expire. Section 122(a)(2) explicitly limits significantly viewed to the rules as adopted by the Commission as of April 15, 1976. Satellite carriers are required to provide notice to local stations before they commence carriage of significantly viewed stations. This notice requirement does not apply to cable systems carriage of significantly viewed stations. There are no market modification provisions regarding satellite carriers similar to those for cable operators.
There is no such thing as the "PA DMA", the DMAs are set by Nielsen, there's Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and NYC. Pike County is part of the NYC DMA, which is why the Blue Ridge systems in that county have additional NYC market stations like WABC, WNET, WTBY and WMBC and they never dropped WNYW on the systems that originate in that county. Some of the areas also don't get WSWB or WQMY.damondlt said:Pike county PA is a PA market on Blue ridge Cable. Dispute all you want!
LMAO, I see why you are confused now. The Greement you speak of, is with the significantly viewed station NOT the in DMA affiliate!damondlt;3190340 said:You don't read do you!
Look!
Satellite carriers are not required to carry out of market significantly viewed stations. If they do carry such significantly viewed stations, retransmission consent is required.
Thats means they STILL NEED PERMISSION!
Ok not disputing that , But Blue Ridge Cable has the rights for Pike county PA they have a Huge satellite field there.KyL416 said:There is no such thing as the "PA DMA", the DMAs are set by Nielsen, there's Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and NYC. Pike County is part of the NYC DMA, which is why the Blue Ridg systems in that county have additional NYC market stations like WABC, WNET, WTBY and WMBC and they never dropped WNYW on the systems that originate in that county. Some of the areas also don't get WSWB or WQMY.
Take a look at any NYC news broadcast, Pike is the only PA county outlined on the weather map and their weather alerts appear on sever weather tickets.
And Pike county PA is Also Highlighted on every scranton Wilkesbarre weather too.KyL416 said:There is no such thing as the "PA DMA", the DMAs are set by Nielsen, there's Scranton/Wilkes-Barre and NYC. Pike County is part of the NYC DMA, which is why the Blue Ridge systems in that county have additional NYC market stations like WABC, WNET, WTBY and WMBC and they never dropped WNYW on the systems that originate in that county. Some of the areas also don't get WSWB or WQMY.
Take a look at any NYC news broadcast, Pike is the only PA county outlined on the weather map and their weather alerts appear on severe weather tickers.
I'm not confused at all, No permission , No channel. Cut and Dry!joshjr said:LMAO, I see why you are confused now. The Greement you speak of, is with the significantly viewed station NOT the in DMA affiliate!
The also highlight portions of the Elmira (Tioga), Philly (Northampton) and Altoona (Centre county) markets on their maps too. They take advantage of their expanded cable coverage and send reporters to the areas the neighboring DMAs ignore, but in Nielsen's eyes Pike is part of the NYC DMA.damondlt said:And Pike county PA is Also Highlighted on every scranton Wilkesbarre weather too.
There's currently hearings for the renewal of it going on. You should take a look at some of the articles at Broadcasting and Cable and Multichannel news covering it. One of the things being brought up is the lack of progress on the rollout of significantly viewed stations, so you might get some answers when the next round of hearings start in about two weeks. Some early testimony claims the spot beam coverage is preventing it, but that's no excuse here since the NYC big 4 are on a Conus beam and we get 90s on the spotbeams used by Philly's locals.damondlt said:I'm not confused at all, No permission , No channel. Cut and Dry!
If Directv had permission it would be on , just like in your case.
Hey I'm all for them, I will call whom ever. But its not going to get done unless some new laws and or rules go into effect.KyL416 said:There's currently hearings for the renewal of it going on. You should take a look at some of the articles at Broadcasting and Cable and Multichannel news covering it. One of the things being brought up is the lack of progress on the rollout of significantly viewed stations, so you might get some answers when the next round of hearings start in about two weeks. Some early testimony claims the spot beam coverage is preventing it, but that's no excuse here since the NYC big 4 are on a Conus beam and we get 90s on the spotbeams used by Philly's locals.
I've been reading all this with interest. Good topic.damondlt;3190355 said:I'm not confused at all, No permission , No channel. Cut and Dry!
If Directv had permission it would be on , just like in your case.
This is beyond Directv.tonyd79 said:It is not because of some law or contract restricting directv. It is just a business decision.
No one has produced a single legal or government document that supports that position. In fact, all documents support the opposite.damondlt;3190404 said:This is beyond Directv.
Directv already stated if they can do it it would be on.
The big picture is network battles.
Which the Network flatout refuse to to as well!
I really dont get why you are so confused or arguing. You just dont seem to get it so I will try to break it down for you.damondlt said:I'm not confused at all, No permission , No channel. Cut and Dry!
If Directv had permission it would be on , just like in your case.
I dont get why you say this. I had it done. Working on having more done. It can happen and it does not take new laws to make it happen.damondlt said:Hey I'm all for them, I will call whom ever. But its not going to get done unless some new laws and or rules go into effect.
Yea Spotbeams are not an issue here, I've "moved" to NY and Philly Market. before.
Here is the link to the most recent hearing on DNS, etc.KyL416 said:There's currently hearings for the renewal of it going on. You should take a look at some of the articles at Broadcasting and Cable and Multichannel news covering it. One of the things being brought up is the lack of progress on the rollout of significantly viewed stations, so you might get some answers when the next round of hearings start in about two weeks. Some early testimony claims the spot beam coverage is preventing it, but that's no excuse here since the NYC big 4 are on a Conus beam and we get 90s on the spotbeams used by Philly's locals.
What do you think someone making minimum wage answering the 800 number at DirecTV is gonna tell you? You really think they are gonna know the ins and outs of the spot beams and the contrcts for all 210 DMA's. I THINK NOT! Everytime a new software update comes out they dont know jack about it either or when a new receiver is about to come out. You gotta quit trusting them on complex quetions like this.damondlt said:This is beyond Directv.
Directv already stated if they can do it it would be on.
The big picture is network battles.
Which the Network flatout refuse to to as well!
Thank you!!!tonyd79 said:No one has produced a single legal or government document that supports that position. In fact, all documents support the opposite.
As for directv, "can do it" also means money and coming to an agreement with the SV station.
Actually, while Significantly Viewed stations are exempt from the Network non duplication and syndicated exclusivity rules, there are ways for a local station to have the Significantly Viewed status changed for some or all towns in a given county.tonyd79 said:No one has produced a single legal or government document that supports that position. In fact, all documents support the opposite.damondlt;3190404 said:This is beyond Directv.
Directv already stated if they can do it it would be on.
The big picture is network battles.
Which the Network flatout refuse to to as well!
As for directv, "can do it" also means money and coming to an agreement with the SV station.
We started out having all five of the Significantly Viewed stations and now I've only got two. I'll bet if I search a bit more I can find a petition to have them dropped.WTNH Broadcasting, Inc., licensee of television broadcast station WTNH-TV (ABC,
Ch. 8), New Haven, Connecticut ("WTNH-TV"), filed the above captioned petition seeking a waiver of
the rules that preclude cable operators from deleting the duplicate programming of "significantly viewed"
stations under the network nonduplication and syndicated exclusivity rules ("exclusivity rules").1
Specifically, WTNH-TV seeks a waiver of the significantly viewed exception so that it may enforce its
exclusivity rights against WABC-TV (ABC, Ch. 7), New York ("WABC-TV") in the communities of
Meriden, Milford, Wallingford and Waterbury, Connecticut.2 An opposition to this petition has been
filed on behalf of American Broadcasting Companies, Inc., licensee of WABC-TV to which WTNH-TV
replied. For the reasons discussed below, we grant, in part, WTNH-TV's waiver request.