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How to get significantly viewed dma stations added

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by StephenJC, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. Mar 4, 2013 #101 of 202
    joshjr

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    I dont recall ever saying they HAVE to give you these channels. I am the one saying that there are options and dont just settle for crap if there are options. I have had incentive from the get go. I went from no locals from DirecTV for years to just two, to two plus to significantly viewed to 4 with two significantly viewed. Believe me it took years to get it all done to as I learned more every time I worked on it.

    Its just like the waiver process, the law says that DirecTV can activate a DNS station if the local affiliate does not reply to the waiver request after 30 days. DirecTV, not wanting to upset the in market DMA stations, will not turn them on unless the affiliate approves. I am sure there are some people that have had DirecTV turn on their DNS after waiting more than 30 days with no response from the affiliate. It might not be common practice but I would bet you it happens occasionally. I also bet the ones that get it to happen are not the ones that dont call and ask about it. It will only be the ones really persistent that have a chance to get them added at least in this specific fashion.
     
  2. Mar 4, 2013 #102 of 202
    joshjr

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    I do have contacts there but they are not very helpful with this. It is very difficult to reach someone who knows much about this. It is about 1000 times easier to work with the affiliate. They have the direct contacts to call DirecTV and say hey, I am interested in this and is there any way you can add our station to this counties channel lineup. You seem very skeptical that I had anything to do with the first two that were added in my county. I am also working on the 3rd. I am hopeful it will happen but I can tell you 100% for sure, if this third one happens, it will ONLY be because of me.
     
  3. Mar 4, 2013 #103 of 202
    KyL416

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    That's not what I'm asking or what you were claiming. You said the local stations can block it. That says nothing about the local stations being able to say no to imported affiliates on the list. It just says that it's up to DirecTV and that they have to notify the local affiliate before they do it.
     
  4. Mar 4, 2013 #104 of 202
    damondlt

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    :rolleyes:

    Yea, only been telling you this for the past 15 post.
     
  5. Mar 4, 2013 #105 of 202
    joshjr

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    I dont trust that tool lol. I looked at it recently and it did not show that my county was getting significantly viewed stations even though I am. I doubt DirecTV wants to add alot of these. I am not saying they dont update it intentionally but I do wonder sometimes.
     
  6. Mar 4, 2013 #106 of 202
    damondlt

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    There are laws against DNS within local market. Did you see what Happend to FOX 5 NY. Do you see that on Blue ridge cable anymore?

    Ask a Mod that can provide you with a link.
     
  7. Mar 4, 2013 #107 of 202
    joshjr

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    They do. There are lots of reasons this dont work out. DirecTV might not have the space, the station might be HD when they only offer SD for that market, vice versa, the spotbeam for the additional station is on a different spot beam. There are reasons it dont happen. DirecTV is never gonna just decide to add some additional stations to any DMA. That is why I deal with the affiliates. Who is DirecTV gonna listen to more, me or the affiliate they do business with? An affiliate is more likely to get something done then me.

    I never said I can make this happen for anyone. I am strongly saying, there are options a lot of people dont know about and that it can happen. People say all the time that waivers never get approved either yet I got all 4 of mine approved and I had a harder time doing it as more affiliates had to approve then my own DMA since it was before the last law change.
     
  8. Mar 4, 2013 #108 of 202
    KyL416

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    Again, you are arguing two different things. The rules for DNS are completely different from Significantly viewed. It just happens that some of the significantly viewed stations for our area are also the NYC stations DirecTV offers for DNS service.

    DNS is getting out of market stations in the 390s no matter how far away you live from the NYC or LA market. The rules for that are mainly that DirecTV doesn't offer your locals and you can't get an over the air signal or your market has no local affiliate for a network.

    Significantly viewed is DirecTV offering neighboring locals on a list of FCC approved stations as part of the local lineup for your county or town in some cases. No wavier is required for this.
     
  9. Mar 4, 2013 #109 of 202
    joshjr

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    Come on, really? Almost every zip I entered in, in that Blue Ridge cable co today for PA had affiliates from more than 1 DMA. All these things are always more complicated then everyone thinks. There are cable DMA's all over the US that offer more than 1 DMA's channels. Heck in my home town the cable co offers one Tulsa station as well. Used to be more.
     
  10. Mar 4, 2013 #110 of 202
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    Show me!
     
  11. Mar 4, 2013 #111 of 202
    KyL416

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    It's the thing described in the exact same quote you have been posting. THAT is the significantly viewed rules, the ability to offer neighboring locals. The latest list of approved stations can be found here:
    http://www.fcc.gov/mb/significantviewedstations010213.pdf

    DNS is completley different and is getting out of market stations in the 390s no matter how far away you live from the NYC or LA market (or whatever markets Dish uses for DNS service). The rules for that are mainly that if the satellite provider doesn't offer your locals and you can't get an over the air signal or your market has no local affiliate for a network.
     
  12. Mar 4, 2013 #112 of 202
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    WOLF FOX 56 Scranton, PA is making Blue Ridge Cable drop WNYW FOX 5 New York and WTXF FOX 29 Philadelphia off its cable systems in Monroe County, PA. This is sad news for people who live in the Stroudsburg, Tannersville, and Mount Pocono areas who commute to New York and New Jersey for work. More people from Monroe County go to New Jersey and New York City than Scranton & WB. The good news is Blue Ridge Cable will still carry WCBS 2, WNBC 4, WWOR 9, and WPIX 11 from New York City on its Monroe County cable system as well as KYW 3, WPVI 6, and WCAU 10 from Philadelphia. Most people living in the Poconos either commute or relate with NJ, NYC, or Philly, not Scranton and watch news, weather, traffic, and sports from either NYC or Philly.

    Here is the note posted on the Blue Ridge website as of May 28, 2009.

    WOLF-TV FOX 56 exercised its exclusive right to the Wilkes Barre Scranton Market thus forcing us to remove WNYW and in some areas WTXF. Blue Ridge tried everything to not let this happen but WOLF would not agree to rescind their rights. Effective May 28th, some FOX channels will no longer be available in the Wilkes Barre/Scranton market because WOLF-56 has requested we remove them from our channel lineup. Also effective May 28th, we will be removing WOLF-56 from our channel lineups in the New York Market. This is upon the request of WOLF-56 because they are telling us we do not have the right to retransmit their channel in the New York market area. We did everything possible to keep these channels on, but the Networks required us to remove them


    Blue ridge Cable is one of the oldest Cable companys in the USA. They are currently aloud to provide multiple DNS, as long as the networks approve.
     
  13. Mar 4, 2013 #113 of 202
    joshjr

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    You are correct. I do think he is confusing the two. The two Tulsa stations I get are part of the lower number stations with my regular locals. One of the stations I get in my local package is the CW from Baltimore as I do not have a CW affiliate in my market. I am in a MPEG 4 only market yet all they give me for the CW is the crappy SD station (394) remapped to station 15 I think.
     
  14. Mar 4, 2013 #114 of 202
    damondlt

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    Where does it say anywhere a Provider Must carry these, or the rules are any different then DNS?
     
  15. Mar 4, 2013 #115 of 202
    KyL416

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    That portion never happened since Blue Ridge realized they would have a bunch of pissed of Eagles fans on hand if they dropped a station they didn't have to out of retaliation. To this day Pike County still gets WOLF. But instead of their sister station WQMY, they get WPHL.

    That's cable though where they can also carry stations not on the list like WPHL, WPSG, WFMZ, WLVT, WPIX and WWOR. Satellite is under different rules for neighboring locals. If what joshjr says is true about no blackouts, and I have yet to see anything in the rules saying otherwise for significantly viewed stations, DirecTV could have a huge advantage among local Giants fans if they pick up WNYW.
     
  16. Mar 4, 2013 #116 of 202
    damondlt

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    I'm not trying to fight with you guys. But its clearly not a cut an dry phone call to a GM of a network.
     
  17. Mar 4, 2013 #117 of 202
    joshjr

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    When I get home, I would be happy to attach some pics of the Tulsa stations in my channel lineup as the lower number channels. Here is my lineup. I will list the call letters so you can feel free to look them up yourself.

    6 - KOTV - This is a Tulsa DMA CBS station in the state of Oklahoma
    7 - KOAM - This is a Pittsburg/Joplin DMA CBS station in the state of Kansas.
    8 - KTUL - This is a Tulsa DMA ABC station in the state of Oklahoma.
    12 - KODE - This is a Pittsburg/Joplin DMA ABC station in the state of Missouri.
    14 - KFJX - This is a Pittsburg/Joplin DMA FOX station in the state of Kansas.
    15 - CW - This is a CW affiliate out of Baltimore. Same as the DNS station.
    16 - KSNF - This is a Pittsburg/Joplin DMA NBC station in the state of Missouri.
    26 - KOZJ - This is a Pittsburg/Joplin DMA PBS station in the state of Missouri.

    Go to http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageIFnorail.jsp?assetId=P4880022#h:573.951 and enter 74354 for Ottawa County and see what they show. I have also attached the pic. I will provide the pics from the guide later tonight.

    My Locals.jpg
     
  18. Mar 4, 2013 #118 of 202
    damondlt

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    Pike county on cable is PA DMA.
    They are not a NY DMA like Satellite. Blue ridge Cable has one of their Biggest Satellite uplinks in Shahola.

    Fox 56 for all of NY and NJ was dropped!
     
  19. Mar 4, 2013 #119 of 202
    KyL416

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    You are merging two different regulations into one. DNS is one set of regulations related to importing distant stations for unserved viewers that require a wavier from the local affiliate. Signifigantly Viewed is another set of regulations related to the providing neighboring stations to outer counties in some DMAs.

    I never said that DirecTV MUST carry them. What you were saying is that the local stations could say no and nothing I've seen in the significantly viewed rules say that, only that it's up to DirecTV and they have to notify them before doing so.
     
  20. Mar 4, 2013 #120 of 202
    Mike Bertelson

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    You are right. There is nothing that requires them to carry. It isn't even up to DIRECTV/Dish if they can carry them. All the Significantly viewed law does is permit them to carry if they can get permission and carriage agreements to do so.

    AAMOF, the law states (47 U.S.C. § 340(c)(2) - § 340. Significantly viewed signals permitted to be carried)...

    (d) Effect on other obligations and rights
    (1) No effect on carriage obligations
    Carriage of a signal under this section is not
    mandatory, and any right of a station licensee
    to have the signal of such station carried
    under section 338 of this title is not affected by
    the eligibility of such station to be carried
    under this section.
    (2) Retransmission consent rights not affected
    The eligibility of the signal of a station to
    be carried under this section does not affect
    any right of the licensee of such station to
    grant (or withhold) retransmission consent
    under section 325(b)(1) of this title.

    All the usual carriage rules are in place. DIRECTV/Dish are permitted to carry but that doesn't override the the retransmission consent rights.

    Mike
     

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