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How to get significantly viewed dma stations added

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by StephenJC, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. Mar 4, 2013 #141 of 202
    damondlt

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    Hey I'm all for them, I will call whom ever. But its not going to get done unless some new laws and or rules go into effect.

    Yea Spotbeams are not an issue here, I've "moved" to NY and Philly Market. before. :)
     
  2. Mar 4, 2013 #142 of 202
    tonyd79

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    I've been reading all this with interest. Good topic.

    All the documents and legal stuff that has been posted has been centered on permission from the significantly viewed station, NOT the local station.

    Yes. Directv needs permission but the permission is not from a local affiliate blocking the other channel. It is from the channel they wan to carry. Just as it is with every channel.

    The local channel can make it difficult for directv to put another channel on (somehow I doubt they can put such wording In a contract as the significantly viewed channel rights are pretty much spelled out in every document posted here) as in asking for more money or even threatening withdrawal of their signal. And in those cases, Directv will side with the local channel. Not every agreement in a negotiation is in writing.

    It is clear that the choice is directv's as long as the channel is available per the FCC list. But to what advantage to them? Most of the time they will make future deals with the locals painful and probably won't gain enough in sales to overcome that issue. Plus, they will still have to pay the SV station. If they don't think it is worth it, they won't do it.

    As for value of significantly viewed. It varies. In my case, I am in Baltimore DMA but my county qualifies for five stations from DC. None of them are on directv. Comcast offers them but in SD only. Fios offers four of them in both SD and HD. I suspect fios has them because their distribution system is more regional than Comcast. But that says that there is little value in bringing the DC channels in even though I live about 20 miles from the DC beltway (about 5 from the Baltimore Beltway).

    It is not because of some law or contract restricting directv. It is just a business decision.
     
  3. Mar 4, 2013 #143 of 202
    damondlt

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    This is beyond Directv.

    Directv already stated if they can do it it would be on.

    The big picture is network battles.

    Which the Network flatout refuse to to as well!
     
  4. Mar 4, 2013 #144 of 202
    tonyd79

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    No one has produced a single legal or government document that supports that position. In fact, all documents support the opposite.

    As for directv, "can do it" also means money and coming to an agreement with the SV station.
     
  5. Mar 5, 2013 #145 of 202
    joshjr

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    I really dont get why you are so confused or arguing. You just dont seem to get it so I will try to break it down for you.

    1. Check to see if out of market locals are considered significantly viewed in your county.

    2. If so, call the GM of that affiliate and sell them on adding their station to your counties locals from DirecTV.

    3. If they are not on the list already call the GM or the Chief Engineer and see if they are interested in requesting for a significantly viewed status in your county and why. Also what you hope to happen if and when that status is applied.

    4. If the out of market affiliate comes to terms with DirecTV the station is added as part of your local package at no additional charge to you.

    I NEVER said its a requirement, DirecTV has to add them, it was easy, there arnt or wont be complications, etc. Its a process that can work for some and get another markets locals in your own. The paragraph I posted earlier proved that significantly viewed stations are not considered DNS which is what we were trying to prove to you. As soon as I posted that you talk about something else. Fact is, they are viewed differently then DNS and can be added in markets. That is what I am here to help with.
     
  6. Mar 5, 2013 #146 of 202
    joshjr

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    I dont get why you say this. I had it done. Working on having more done. It can happen and it does not take new laws to make it happen.
     
  7. Mar 5, 2013 #147 of 202
    joshjr

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    Here is the link to the most recent hearing on DNS, etc.

    http://energycommerce.house.gov/hearing/satellite-video-101
     
  8. Mar 5, 2013 #148 of 202
    joshjr

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    What do you think someone making minimum wage answering the 800 number at DirecTV is gonna tell you? You really think they are gonna know the ins and outs of the spot beams and the contrcts for all 210 DMA's. I THINK NOT! Everytime a new software update comes out they dont know jack about it either or when a new receiver is about to come out. You gotta quit trusting them on complex quetions like this.
     
  9. Mar 5, 2013 #149 of 202
    joshjr

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    Thank you!!!
     
  10. Mar 5, 2013 #150 of 202
    Mike Bertelson

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    Actually, while Significantly Viewed stations are exempt from the Network non duplication and syndicated exclusivity rules, there are ways for a local station to have the Significantly Viewed status changed for some or all towns in a given county.

    Here is a link to my local ABC affiliate’s FCC petition to prevent Significantly Viewed stations in four CT towns. The FCC granted the petition in three of those towns and denied if for the fourth.

    Link

    We started out having all five of the Significantly Viewed stations and now I’ve only got two. I’ll bet if I search a bit more I can find a petition to have them dropped.

    The fact is the exclusivity rules can still be applied and a local station can bar a significantly viewed station from being carried. As to whether or not this is why damondlt can't get his Significantly Viewed channels I've got no idea, but as you can see it certainly is possible.

    A comment to everyone, the search engine is your friend. :)

    Mike
     
  11. Mar 5, 2013 #151 of 202
    wilbur_the_goose

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    I'm betting that when you're working with an "O&O", you'd have no chance of getting a neighboring local to be shown.
     
  12. Mar 5, 2013 #152 of 202
    Mike Bertelson

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    If a station is on the FCC's Significantly Viewed list the only way to prevent DIRECTV/Dish from carrying it is for the local to petition to have the status changed so it doesn't qualify as Significantly Viewed.

    So far I've only found where this has happened for individual towns in a county and not the whole county. In my case the two that I get are the only two I can actually receive OTA...sort of. They're crappy but they come in better than the CT locals. :grin:

    To get a town removed from the Significantly Viewed list the local station need to show the OTA viewership is less than some threshold. Then the local can apply the nonduplication / syndicated exclusivity rules and prevent the station from being carried.

    In the beginning I had all five of my county’s Significantly Viewed stations. Now I only have the two that I can also get OTAish. I’m thinking the other three were dropped with a similar petition. Just a guess.

    Mike
     
  13. Mar 5, 2013 #153 of 202
    damondlt

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    all 3 Networks claimed they have contracts with the other networks that forbids them.

    Some of you Guys are telling me no thats not possible.

    Well where are they then?
     
  14. Mar 5, 2013 #154 of 202
    damondlt

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    If these channels not being lit was just a matter of just flipping a switch, or a simple phone call to a Networks General Manager.

    Do you guys think this thread would be here right now?

    I don't,
    I think the channels would be on and thats that.


    So how do you force Directv to lite up these channels?
    I want to get my hands dirty. I've had 3 failed calls to all 3 of my Sig/viewed options, and I can't talk to a minimum wage Directv CSR, so direct me too the person at Directv thats qualified.

    If I call my Scranton Wilkes Barre channel 16 and ask them why can I get ABC 7 NY,
    What are they going to tell me?
     
  15. Mar 5, 2013 #155 of 202
    damondlt

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    I am not fighting so stop taking it so personal guys.

    Everyone is telling me I'm not doing enough, But yet no one else is telling who to contact.

    The GMs didn't work.
     
  16. Mar 5, 2013 #156 of 202
    joshjr

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    Who is saying its not possible? We are showing where DirecTV has rights but not anywhere saying its not possible for them to not be able to offer the channels.

    It wont work for everyone. You guys are probably a prime of example of a scenario that wont work. When I looked at the DMA ranks yesterday New York was #1 if I remember right. Most DMA's that are smaller wont want a larger DMA (much less the largest DMA) offering their channels in their market.

    I think you should just halt your pursuit of Significantly Viewed stations. You dont seem to understand much of what I say and I am tired of explaining it to you. The fact is it will work for a few and maybe you are not it. Also I am here to help people in need and not argue about everything. You have your opinion and I have mine. You have no significantly viewed stations and I have 2. Think what you what.
     
  17. Mar 5, 2013 #157 of 202
    joshjr

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    I can tell you when I reached NY4 yesterday that the gentleman I spoke with didnt appear to completely know what I was talking about. I dont think after I hung up he completely knew either. My intentions were to let him speak to his legal team and call him back next week. In the mean time if I could find a cable co that is in another DMA that is getting NY4 it would help a lot.

    I think after he gets a little information on his end and I call him back hopefully with more reasons why it is a good idea, they may consider it. I will reach back out to them next week.
     
  18. Mar 5, 2013 #158 of 202
    damondlt

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    This is all you would have had to say, about 40 posts ago.:)

    I already stated the Scranton Wilkesbarre locals won't allow it,, But everyone else keeps running back to the "well Cable has it":rolleyes:
     
  19. Mar 5, 2013 #159 of 202
    damondlt

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    Try Adams cable in Wayne county PA, I believe Carbondale Pa They are still Scranton Wilkes barre though, Just different provider? You are not going to get NY locals in Philly DMA on Satellite if thats what your asking.
    Cable maybe!
     
  20. Mar 5, 2013 #160 of 202
    damondlt

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    Cable providers in Eastern PA
    Adams
    Blue Ridge Communications
    Comcast
    Service Electric
    RCN
    Verizon
     

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