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How to get significantly viewed dma stations added

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According to the fcc database Ashtabula County OH has 3 stations from the Erie DMA listed as Significantly viewed. How would I go about getting them added to my local lineup?
 
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#178 ·
I called KJRH (NBC Tulsa) today to check back on them applying for a significantly viewed status. I was informed by their Chief Engineer that after checking with numerous people and lots of phone calls, their agreement with NBC was that they could not provide their signal to an out of market DMA.

I called BS on that as their channel was on CableOne till last year. He stated the reason that was allowed was because they were forced to black out all the duplicated programming meaning basically news was okay to watch but that's it. Only cable is allowed to offer an out of market affiliate that is not considered significantly viewed. I really didnt care if we got this Tulsa station or not but I definitely wanted to try.

I also spoke to the GM at KOKI (FOX Tulsa) last week and they are still working on trying to add FOX to my counties channel lineup with DirecTV. I will check back on it in a few weeks. Boils down to I have 2 of the 3 that are considered significantly viewed, the third is trying and the 4th one (not on the list for significantly viewed) is not interested in applying for SV status at this time due to contractual agreements.
 
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damondlt said:
Im not sure, I would just assume extreme northern wayne. Since Time Warner runs in NY right at the norther boarder.

Like I said it was like fort Knox, for what ever reason, I guess they don't want to show their sad Channel Line up.:lol:

You can Try these Zips , but Northern Wayne is VERY REMOTE!

18437 Lake Como
18461 Starlight
18462 Starrucca
18847 Susquehanna
18455 Preston Park
None of these panned out. I did find an address that was accepted by their system but then it had no channel lineup for that address. I had an IM conversation with them and it appears they do not offer cable in that area. I will still try to reach back out to channel 4 this week to see what they have to say.
 
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Any hope of getting the Philadelphia broadcast networks on DirecTV here in Southern Ocean County, NJ? (Manahawkin / Tuckerton / Beach Haven)

We currently get only NYC locals.

Comcast carries: KYW, WPVI, WCAU, WHYY, WPHL, WTXF and WPSG (plus WMCN from Atlantic City) all in both SD and HD.

Geographically we are much closer to Philadelphia.

Over the air the NYC stations provide no signal at all here while we are within the "Grade B" contours of most of the Philadelphia stations.

The only channels that carry new stories from Southern Ocean County are from Philadelphia - the NYC stations don't ever mention this area.
 
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joshjr said:
I will still try to reach back out to channel 4 this week to see what they have to say.
WNBC 4 Claims they have a contract preventing them with providing Satellite TV customers their network that is Served by the Local company below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexstar_Broadcasting_Group
This is the company they claim they have the contract with.
 
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damondlt said:
WNBC 4 Claims they have a contract preventing them with providing Satellite TV customers their network that is Served by the Local company below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexstar_Broadcasting_Group
This is the company they claim they have the contract with.
I am very familiar with Nexstar. I will reach out to WNBC anyways to see what they tell me. Their agreement if with anyone should be with NBC. I don't really know why they would have any agreement with an out of market affiliate unless it was both party's agreeing to not allow SV stations within their own DMA's. I will let you know what they say. I do think getting the SV stations from the largest DMA in the country into a smaller DMA is a huge challenge. We'll see I guess.
 
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Guesst925XTU said:
Any hope of getting the Philadelphia broadcast networks on DirecTV here in Southern Ocean County, NJ? (Manahawkin / Tuckerton / Beach Haven)

We currently get only NYC locals.

Comcast carries: KYW, WPVI, WCAU, WHYY, WPHL, WTXF and WPSG (plus WMCN from Atlantic City) all in both SD and HD.

Geographically we are much closer to Philadelphia.

Over the air the NYC stations provide no signal at all here while we are within the "Grade B" contours of most of the Philadelphia stations.

The only channels that carry new stories from Southern Ocean County are from Philadelphia - the NYC stations don't ever mention this area.
The first thing to note is that Cable companies have the ability to offer an out of market station even if it is not considered significantly viewed and satellite does not. I see where someone else posted that most of the stations you were after were not on the list (significantly viewed) and would have to apply for that status and it be granted before DirecTV would even be in a position do offer them.
 
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Guesst925XTU said:
Any hope of getting the Philadelphia broadcast networks on DirecTV here in Southern Ocean County, NJ? (Manahawkin / Tuckerton / Beach Haven)
As long as Nielsen surveys show that most area viewers choose to shop in (and watch TV originating in) NYC, that's what DMA it will remain in.
 
#186 ·
harsh said:
As long as Nielsen surveys show that most area viewers choose to shop in (and watch TV originating in) NYC, that's what DMA it will remain in.
Yeah but that does not mean it would not be possible to get some Significantly Viewed stations from Philly if they were on the list and an agreement was met.
 
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studechip said:
If that's true, why do I get it in the Hartford dma as significantly viewed?
Maybe nobody in New York protested. Aren't most of the NYC stations network O&O?

Remember that DIRECTV has to strike kind of a three-way agreement with the DMA station as well as the SV station.
 
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joshjr said:
Yeah but that does not mean it would not be possible to get some Significantly Viewed stations from Philly if they were on the list and an agreement was met.
You seem to be of a mind that:

1. Agreements are trivial and the official DMA station didn't demand an exclusive.

2. The Philly spot covers all of your market.

I'm not sure either of these is easy to confirm.
 
#190 ·
harsh said:
1. Agreements are trivial and the official DMA station didn't demand an exclusive.
That was addressed a few pages back, with a link to the FCC filing. In WTNH's case they had to file with the FCC and get WABC removed from the significantly viewed list for the disputed counties before they could force them to drop WABC. WABC actually fought back and WTNH only got some of the towns removed.
2. The Philly spot covers all of your market.

I'm not sure either of these is easy to confirm.
Significantly viewed stations are done per county or in some cases per town. Considering that these are neighboring locals, usually in counties that border the other DMA, you are likely within the spot beam for it as the strength doesn't just suddenly drop to zero on the border.

It's easy to find out if you're within the spot beam via the signal strength menu for the transponder by comparing it to the latest spreadsheet:
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=211502
 
#191 ·
I have a 92-97 on all NY, Philly and Binghamton Spotbeam TP's At my address.

So spotbeam is not an issue for me!
 
#193 ·
bjlc said:
http://www.acegroup.cc/la-crescent/basic/

how come our local ,next to awful, tv cable provider, can offer all these channels but D* cannot? it doesn't make any sense to me.. not only the direct LaCrosse, channels but Rochester, Austin / Albert Lee and Minneapolis as well.. shouldn't D* be outright competing wth this extremely small provider..
Week HD lineup

http://www.acegroup.cc/la-crescent/high-definition/

and max download speeds of 15Mbps

http://www.acegroup.cc/la-crescent/high-speed/
 
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bjlc said:
http://www.acegroup.cc/la-crescent/basic/

how come our local ,next to awful, tv cable provider, can offer all these channels but D* cannot? it doesn't make any sense to me.. not only the direct LaCrosse, channels but Rochester, Austin / Albert Lee and Minneapolis as well.. shouldn't D* be outright competing wth this extremely small provider..
Directv is no Competition.
Directv Slams this Crappy Cable company.

I will take Directvs Equipment, Channel Line up and HD offering over their 4 Extra SV locals anyday!:lol:

Our Blue Ridge Cable puts that cable company to shame.
http://www.brctv.com/

http://www.brctv.com/tv/hdtv

http://www.brctv.com/internet/speedpricing

These are the locals cable offers in my Area.

CBS WCBS-2 New York
NBC WNBC-4 New York
NBC WBRE-28 Scranton
FOX WOLF-56 Wilkes Barre
ABC WNEP-16 Scranton
ABC WABC-7 New York
PBS WVIA-44 Scranton
MYnWWOR-9 New York
CBS WYOU-22 Scranton
CW WSWB-38 Scranton
TV-13
ABC WPVI-6 Philadelphia
CW WGN America
PBS WNET-13 New York
MY WQMY-53 WB/Scranton
CW WPIX-11 New York

Directv only Offers me the Ones in Bold!
 
#195 ·
bjlc said:
http://www.acegroup.cc/la-crescent/basic/

how come our local ,next to awful, tv cable provider, can offer all these channels but D* cannot? it doesn't make any sense to me.. not only the direct LaCrosse, channels but Rochester, Austin / Albert Lee and Minneapolis as well.. shouldn't D* be outright competing wth this extremely small provider..
Basically because Directv isn't allowed to play by the same rules that the cable companies are. Blame your congressman. They are the ones that made the rules. Perhaps (?) money had something to do with it?
 
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