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HP Discontinues WebOS Phones and Tablets.

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by bobukcat, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. Aug 31, 2011 #81 of 147
    hdtvfan0001

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    Looks like one more batch of the $99 HP tablets being made (likely to clear out warehouse inventories and what was started on assembly line benches), and then the tablet officially becomes an orphan.

    Conflicting reports state this last batch will be out anywhere from next week to three weeks from now, for those still looking to pick one up.
     
  2. Aug 31, 2011 #82 of 147
    klang

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    Yes, since the HP's announcement of the demise of the TouchPad there have been numerous stories in the press about the lack of actual sales numbers for Android tablets. Wonder why it is only Apple announcing sales numbers?
     
  3. Aug 31, 2011 #83 of 147
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    Probably because no one likes to admit their product isn't flying off the shelves.

    My. 02? I think the whole first wave of Android tablets will be heavily discounted next month, or we'll see more and more deals like the Staples' "$100 of any tablet" or Best Buy's "buy a Sammy TV at retail, and get a free Galaxy tab".

    Once all that inventory gets cleared out, we'll then see a bunch next gen tablets announced for the fourth quarter with more competitive pricing, including the Amazon tablet. For those manufacturers that can't subsidize tablet prices with e-commerce or advertising, though, I'm not sure how they'll be able to keep build quality high and lower prices. :scratchin

    And no matter what, I'm pretty sure the entire industry (Apple, Amazon and B&N included) isn't pleased with the prospect of more $99 TouchPads flooding the market, assuming they're going to be sold for that price again.
     
  4. Aug 31, 2011 #84 of 147
    klang

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    That part makes no sense to me. Assuming HP is loosing a few hundred bucks on each, they are now going to increase the losses by producing more?
     
  5. Aug 31, 2011 #85 of 147
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    I'm guessing they're sitting on a lot of manufacturing parts inventory, and the bean counters have figured out there's some tax advantage to building them and selling them at a loss. Must be something like that, or the HP shareholders would be up in arms.

    Just grasping for an explanation that fits the facts. :p
     
  6. Aug 31, 2011 #86 of 147
    hdtvfan0001

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    People only see what they want to see...

    http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/04/asus-may-sell-2-million-tablets-this-year/

    http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31747_7-20081366-243/ipad-share-of-tablet-shipments-fell-in-second-quarter-says-report/

    Apple has "their facts" and others have theirs...

    What is clear is they don't match.
     
  7. Aug 31, 2011 #87 of 147
    klang

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    Shipments, not sales. That is what the media has been questioning. I guess the media doesn't have access to all the 'secret data'. :lol:
     
  8. Aug 31, 2011 #88 of 147
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    Teays...
  9. Aug 31, 2011 #89 of 147
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    Manufacturers tend to release sales data about a quarter after they are totalled...but ASUS stats show that they have sold out many of their retailers repeatedly the past 3 months, including Best Buy, Amazon, and about 12 others. These are actually tracked on a company website (secure) that display sold and needed inventories.

    There was a point about 90 days ago you couldn't even get some of the Android tablets in stock anywhere..they couldn't make them fast enough. I'm most familiar with the largest selling Android tablet (ASUS) because of direct access to data...and they sold over 700,000 in one quarter, and the pace accelerated the following month...so trends are up.

    Alot of these stats depend on when they are taken and how far behind the recorded transactions they are. They're all "snapshots" basically depending upon the specific date reported.

    The dark horse, of course, is Amazon...with their pending Android private-labeled tablet. Depending on their pricing...they could surpass all of the other 20+ manufacturers offering Android-based tablets. Add in the momentum the Android 4.x (Ice Cream Sandwich) release will bring...and a new snapshot will likely be needed about February to get a better idea of real market share.

    As the reports I linked previously showed though... Android's market share is growing (in double digits). If that continues remains to be seen.

    Going full circle on topic....the HP Touchpad was always a wild card, as their marketing power is strong enough to gain penetration too. Unfortunately, they stumbled in with a product that was heavy and slow, and did not really distinguish itself in any real manner (including price)...so it flopped.

    As soon as the prices dropped to ridiculously low numbers...people gobbled them up despite its shortcomings..many with the intent to flash them to an Android kernel/OS. That work is still underway.
     
  10. Aug 31, 2011 #90 of 147
    klang

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    From the WSJ:

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    Really glad I don't own any HP stock directly. :)
     
  11. Aug 31, 2011 #91 of 147
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    'Secret data'? :scratchin
     
  12. Aug 31, 2011 #92 of 147
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    Proprietary sales data. ;)
     
  13. Sep 1, 2011 #93 of 147
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    Another possibility is the 'value' of WebOS. If they lose five million dollars putting out more TouchPads BUT then can sell off WebOS for TEN million more than it would have gotten before - well, that's how you increase the value of an asset you still have.
     
  14. Sep 1, 2011 #94 of 147
    Steve

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    Thanks to the lessons learned from the HP fire sale, it may be happening sooner than expected! :eek2: I'll bet Amazon's not pleased. :lol:

     
  15. Sep 1, 2011 #95 of 147
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    I'm sure Amazon already had a much lower price point than the Apple tablet and even many Androids out there today anyway, but yes, lowball pricing makes anyone burp.

    Then again the HP tablet is currently an limited-function orphan...so at any price...its not comparible to others in most ways. People will realize that quickly.
     
  16. Sep 1, 2011 #96 of 147
    Steve

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    Yup. The Aug 1 update that should have been the initial shipping version of webOS addressed some of the early concerns with the tablet's performance, and apparently HP will continue to polish it, in spite of discontinuing the tablet!

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20099049-64/hp-update-to-boost-touchpad-functionality/

    http://tablets-planet.com/2011/08/30/hp-touchpad-will-get-a-new-webos-update-soon-hp-rep/
     
  17. Sep 10, 2011 #97 of 147
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    I picked up a 32GB model for $150, even if it didn't work out as a tablet for me I figured I could use it as a media player for the kids in the back seat with the 8 hours of battery life. A week later I went ahead and got another for the misses :D She really liked it and can get her People magazine on it which made her real happy. Typing on it is much better than I expected, and the speed is good once you turn off the logging and run the Uberkernel.

    Like I said I wasn't real sure how I would use it or need it, but it is nice to have for couch surfing while watching TV. The lack of future support from HP is concerning but there is a decent homebrew community and though there's been a lot of Android port drama I think that will get ironed out eventually. Right now I'm not in a hurry to change the OS. It is a great interface and pretty solid. The lack of a large Apps catalog is it's main downfall.
     
  19. Sep 12, 2011 #99 of 147
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    By reports I've seen, webOS is in pretty good shape after the August update. And according to this, you're in for at least one more round of polishing, so you should be in great shape going forward. :up:

    In case you use it and missed this, I noticed their "QuickOffice" app was updated to support Word and Excel files.
     
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    News about the additional supply has been pretty scarce.
     

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