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HR20 freeze every 10~12 hours and other 0x120 problems

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by n3ntj, Feb 1, 2007.

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  1. hasan

    hasan Well-Known Member

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    I agree...a boot sequence entry code would be TERRIFIC! What I mean by that is when forcing a download instead of using 02468, we could use 01357 or some other number to load a firmware set we like. Now....there is one really big problem with this....D* cannot support multiple firmwares...they can hardly (and poorly at the CSR level) support the current national release. If they are put in the position of trying to support two or three or four versions at the same time....it's a formula for disaster.

    This multiple firmware would be fine as part of "Cutting Edge"....i.e., totally unsupported release candidates ...which is how the RC's are handled now. It is forbidden to call D* with any issue on a release candidate. So, they could theoreticaly (although it's still a scary thought, and would require some code tweaking) allow those of us testing release candidates to choose from among several options, and continue to test. It would be VERY important for us to test two versions the same way and report the results...which increases the burden on us, to be sure, and on them to try to make sense of what we are saying.

    Keep in mind, the goal of the RCs is to TEST, not find one we like and sit on our hands. Part of the agreement of forcing downloads of RCs is to report on performance of the RC. We're VERY lucky they let us do this....we get to play (and benefit from improvements) and they get a lot of "data points" that help them develop the code.

    Again, all my comments are related to the "Cutting Edge" aspects. I could go on for weeks about the other issues (including support) that have plagued others more than me.:D
     
  2. hasan

    hasan Well-Known Member

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    I've been watching OTA VERY carefully, and much to my dismay, I don't see any difference since they released OTA initially. I get the same stations. I get them at the same strength. I'm missing the same stations (well....they did add one...weather radar).

    I measure my signal strength (actually it is a variant of BER (bit-error-rate) and not a measure of strength at all) at least twice a day every day. I'm an RF freak. I have experimented with gain, gain distribution, antennas, feedline lengths, impedance bumps, you name it. I spent 4 hours one afternoon manipulating all the variables. I was able to "finally" arrive at a set of conditions that gave me the best overall OTA sensitivity AND balance between the two tuners on the same channel. Now, when it comes to RF, I pretty much know what I'm doing and have test equipment for same. If it took me this much effort to get "reasonable" performance on OTA, just how is the "typical consumer" supposed to arrive at the same place?

    There is MUCH work left to be done on OTA, to be sure!

    At this point I don't have any pixellation problems on OTA, good DD 5.x performance and I receive ABC, CBS, PBS, NBC and FOX just dandy. With all the tweaking I did, I now have the HR20 performing (on the channels specified above), nearly as well as my Sammy HDTV tuner. Is the Sammy still better: yes, but they are MUCH closer than when I started. The tuner in the HR20 is VERY PICKY! It needs work.
     
  3. kellen34

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    Wow, I didn't know I was talking with such an expert on OTA. I wish you could do the same with mine. One question...I'm seriously thinking about buying an outdoor OTA and putting it on my roof. It seems to me like this might help. What do you think about this? If you think it's a good idea, what type of antenna can I buy that is good, and won't break the bank account. I'm thinking $150 at most for an antenna.

    Thanks.
     
  4. Blitz7734

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    What is amazing to me is the seemingly broad spectrum of responses that are coming from 120. I missed the Monday window to get 120 and 11f was fairly stable for me. When I read all the trouble that Ed was having with 120, so much so he reverted back to the then most recent national release, 11b I think, I was happy I missed the window. Then reading yesterday, while at work that 120 went national, I was scared to turn on the tv when I got home. All is well, I have the tearing and of course everyones favorite icon pinky, but no missed recordings and my audio dorop outs that where present in 11b are gone.

    I have only been running 120 for 36 hrs now, I have seen statements about it becoming worse as time goes by, so heres hoping that I make it through the SB.

    Cheers,

    MJB
     
  5. hasan

    hasan Well-Known Member

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    An outdoor antenna will help in many ways, depending on how far you are from your transmitting complex(es). Even if you are relatively close and an indoor antenna "works", moving to a very moderate outside antenna will improve things dramatically, because it gets the antenna away from all the electronic "noise" that is generated by your TV, your Hi-Fi amp and other electronics in the house (including lights and dimmers, etc.)

    Some key questions to help you in your quest:

    1. Are all your stations in one direction (mine are on a single antenna farm, so I only have to point in one direction)

    2. Are all your stations on UHF ....or do some of your stations transmit on VHF?

    Let's find out:

    Go to antennaweb.org and enter your zip code and tell it you are on a 2nd story (the predictions from this site tend to be pessimistic, so we lie to it)

    It will then generate a table for you. Tell it you want to see only the digital stations, when the table comes out.

    In the table it will show you all of the stations in your area that you are likely to receive and by color code, what kind of antenna you will need.

    Once you have that info, if you post it (or send it to me in a PM), I'll help you select the best "value" (performance for the buck) antenna to put up in your location. Or...you can send me your zip code and I'll do the looking for ya.

    If you get me the info, I'll help ya figure out your best bet.

    BTW, as I was typing my last message to you, two new channels showed up in my OTA list for the HR20! I knew they had been working on the database, so I now see some more results of that work. Both of them have poor signals at the moment (not HR20 related)...as everyone in the area is complaining they can't see them reliably on their HDTVs...not HR20s. Fortunately, they are VERY minor stations...one is CW, which I hardly every watch (and whose signal has steadily gone down for all of us in the area over the last month).

    Thank God, I get all the major networks and PBS!

    I look forward to hearing from you.
     
  6. mjs31

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    Dang...I have to agree. Now on my 3rd lock up and red button reset situation. I was one with very few issues since Sept until this release.
     
  7. kiwiquest

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    I would have to say 120 has been the most stable release that they have sent out. Downloaded on Monday, and absolutely no problems since then.
     
  8. dallascontractor

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    Try here to see what you would need
    http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx
     
  9. vfr781rider

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    Since posting this, my 0x120 has been very stable, requiring no reboots. Only 2 nights, or the better part of 3 days, but still noteable. I know logic says it can be of no relavence, but the only thing different since my last reboot is that I did not reduce the brightness of the front panel LEDs. Just thought I'd throw it out there :)
     
  10. kellen34

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    Hasan,

    Sorry I didn't get back to you until now. Seems like all of my channels are UHF. Funny, my regular ABC is channel 9, and is VHF. Channel 9.1 is HD and is UHF. Kinda wierd I thought. Anyway, all HD channels are UHF and are 8 miles or less away. It says I need a small multi directional antenna. Don't know exactly what mine is, it's from Radio Shack. has two antennas on it and the round oval in the middle with a gain on it. It sits on top of my stereo, next to my TV, so I'm thinking there is a lot of interference.

    If I mess around with anymore antennas, I think it's going to be an outdoor type. I want one that looks and performs good that is relatively small.
     
  11. gashog301

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    Well updated to 120 by itself and had a couple lockups and now it wont get passed guide data, they are sending out a new box. This is the first time I have really had any issues. Overall im happy with the box.
     
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