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HR20 is super sensative.

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by lwilli201, Aug 10, 2007.

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  1. Ken S

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    I hope you have changed the battery in that old UPS a few times. They don't last forever. If you haven't you may not have much backup time remaining.
     
  2. FHSPSU67

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    Yes, I have the PowerChute Plus software and I do it's power-down diagnostic from time to time. I forget where I got my last battery on-line, but it's lasted longer and cost about half what the ones from APC cost.
     
  3. Inches

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    Could not agree more!! I was given a 1200 APC that did not work. Opened it up and found old batteries. Tested it with some others and it looked good so went and got new ones. Now I can watch TV for an hour and a half and all it cost me was for new batteries (about $34.00) :)
     
  4. Volman

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    The APC "Pro" series is excellent(I have a "Back UPS Pro 650" on my computer).I just got a used(Ebay) APC Smart UPS 700 and it is even better.It has leds that tell you what the load is on the UPS,what % the battery is charged,and whether the unit is on battery or line voltage(and reads line voltage) and if it is "trimming or boosting".It runs my 65"dlp,HR20,VCR,and DVD player for a few minutes.I don't think the TV should be considered as something to keep on battery if the power goes off(takes too big a UPS).So I use mine to power the HR20(will go several hours) and give me time to turn off the TV.Bad power the other night(do to 100* temps) was causing repeated brief outages and brownouts.The Smart UPS 700 handled it with ease and we avoided numerous reboots and just kepy watching TV.
    I like the idea of AVR(automatic voltage regulation) which most cheaper UPS' don't have.The Smart UPS also has a closer to true sine-wave.Both of my APS were bought used and new batteries were included(around $60 each).The batteries last 3-6 years and are very reasonable on Ebay.
     
  5. JeffBowser

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    I just put an APC1500LCD on my home theater setup last week. With my amp, HR20, 65" RPTV, old VCR, DVD player, and my powered sub, it draws about 28% capacity at normal listening levels, and gives me about 18 minutes until it dies. Fantastic little unit. The on board LCD tells me it draws around 240watts during a normal TV show, and a surprisingly large 40watts with everything off
     
  6. FHSPSU67

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    Thanks, everybody!
    Another question: I was conned into buying a $200 Monster strip when I started my HD sytem in 2004. Does anybody foresee any complications from running it from one of the protected outlets of an APC to power my HDTV. Redundant voltage regulation???
     
  7. JeffBowser

    JeffBowser blah blah blah

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    "They" say not to do that. I think the only real drawback to that is the add'l surge strip simply adds load to the battery you don't need. And, by the way - don't buy Monster again :lol:
     
  8. Fish Man

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    Back circa 2002 or 2003 Home Depot carried a "Belken" brand 250 vA UPS that was only $8!! ("Home Depot" is not a typo, the home improvement store...) They were in the electrical department, with the surge strips.

    That's not after rebate! That was the price! $8!!

    They had this deal going for 6 or 8 months. At the time, I bought one for each DirecTiVo and one for my DSL modem that resided on a shelf in a closet.

    Now, 250 vA is totally inadequate for even the smallest computer system, but it's fine for helping DVRs, DSL Modems, Cable modems, routers, etc. ride through up to 5 - 10 minute outages, as well as brief "blips".

    The Katrina flood wiped out my little $8 UPSs, (they were probably near the end of their batteries' life anyway) and I could not find such a deal after Katrina, alas.

    However, $20 after rebate is still pretty easy to find on UPSs in the 350 to 500 va range.
     
  9. FHSPSU67

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    Thanks, and don't worry - I've "Wised Up" quite a bit from just being around this site!:group:
     
  10. armophob

    armophob Difficulty Concen........

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    This is from APC's website:

    Question


    This document will explain why APC recommends against the use of any surge protector, power strip or extension cord being plugged into the output of any APC Back-UPS and Smart-UPS products
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    APC recommends against the use of any surge protector, power strip or extension cord being plugged into the output of any APC Back-UPS and Smart-UPS products. This document will explain why.


    Plugging a surge protector into your UPS: Surge protectors filter the power for surges and offer EMI/RFI filtering but do not efficiently distribute the power, meaning that some equipment may be deprived of the necessary amperage it requires to run properly – causing your attached equipment (computer, monitor, etc) to shutdown or reboot. If you need to supply additional receptacles on the output of your UPS, we recommend using Power Distribution Units (PDU's). PDUs evenly distribute the amperage among the outlets, while the UPS will filter the power and provide surge protection. PDU’s use and distribute the available amperage more efficiently, allowing your equipment to receive the best available power to maintain operation.

    However, please note that the UPS is designed to handle a limited amount of equipment. Please be cautious about plugging too much equipment into the UPS to avoid an overload condition. To understand the load limit of your particular model UPS please consult the User's Manual, or visit APC's Product Page at www.apcc.com/products.


    Plugging your UPS into a surge protector: In order for your UPS to get the best power available, you should plug your UPS directly into the wall receptacle. Plugging your UPS into a surge protector may cause the UPS to go to battery often when it normally should remain online. This is because other, more powerful equipment may draw necessary voltage away from the UPS which it requires to remain online.
     
  11. FHSPSU67

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    Thanks, Armophob!
    It sounds to me though that APC may be referring to larger commercial site reasons where all of the connected devices are of equal power and on all the time unlike a home HDTV setup where most of the devices are off most of the time.:confused:
    Once I get my hands on the APC BE550R or BE650R I'll be able to decide how to do it.
    Anybody want to buy a Monster cheap???
     
  12. FHSPSU67

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    UPDATE: I purchased a BE650R from Circuit City and am using it to power my computer system. I am now using the old APC BackUPS-Pro 420 to power my HR20-100s.:)
     
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