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HR20 problems in relation to usage

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Sharkie_Fan, Nov 2, 2006.

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  1. Vinny

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    OK.....That made me laugh!! It's good to keep a sense of humor!........Thanks
     
  2. Slyster

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    :)

    Yes there are issues. But a missed recording and a couple of red button resets in a month... and a blank I had to delete.. That's certainly better than my PC, and I find my PC very useful!
     
  3. matto

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    Thats why I stopped using XP several years ago :)
     
  4. mcl

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    Then don't watch TV on your PC.

    People don't expect a Windows machine to be a stable, reliable, on-24/7 DVR. That's unsurprisingly why Windows isn't used in embedded systems, except by idiots or sycophants.

    Missing recordings and forcing resets is simply unacceptable for a non-beta DVR. Period.
     
  5. btmoore

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    Sounds like your pc is not doing that well either.

    Regardless, a DVR is not a PC, it is a closed system that is suppose to work and not require rebooting, where a PC might and sadly not that abnormal but understandable because it is a dynamic environment with software and hardware from multiple vendors that you are changing or modifying on a regular basis. Your HR20 is a closed system it should just work like you expect you TV or receiver to work.
     
  6. PoitNarf

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    While it may not be a full blown PC, it certainly is not a finite state machine. There's all sorts of unexpected input it can receive over the sat stream that could potentially screw something up.

    I do agree that it should "just work" though :D
     
  7. matto

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    It shouldn't be, but I completely agree with you that it is :)
     
  8. btmoore

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    PC General Purpose - Open System - External unknown variables - Expectation, Possibly unstable

    DVR specific propose - Closed System - Known controlled system - Expectation, stable

    Both can be build on the exact same hardware but the expectation are very different.

    Ok there is all sorts of inputs that the HR20 might receive, it is a close system, D* owns it all, if they can't deal with the exception cases in the mpeg data stream(assuming that is where the problem is), why are they putting a product on the market? They had access to all the equipment, software, content and time before releasing a defective product.

    At least we agree on it should "just work". :)
     
  9. PoitNarf

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    I'll drink to that ;)
     
  10. mckeemike505

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    My only point was that it seems odd to me that I can have one HR20 in the living room working almost flawlessly and the one in the bedroom which I use less having lots of software probs. I know this is a long shot but is it possible that by not going through each and every update and installing them one by one on the newer(problem HR20) it is somehow missing something in the code that would have stablized it like my other unit? LIke I said long shot but just wanted some food for thought.:D

    By the way I have moved the HR20's around and the problems follow them so it is not cable related or t.v. Just to rule that out.
    Mike
     
  11. btmoore

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    Without understanding the software architecture, which is closed to us, it is hard to know why you have one that appears to be stable and one that does not. In all likelihood both of your boxes have the same defects, it is just that for some reason only one of them is tripping over the use cases that is causing problems and you have not experienced that on the other. It is just as likely tomorrow that you other unit will present a problem. If perhaps you configured them both exactly the same way, recording the exact same shows, you might see the same problems but that is all dependent on the nature of the software defect.

    There is just no way to know, take for example the Dolby Digital bug where you have to turn it off to have it on. There some here who swear that they have it set on and they get DD audio, on the other hand others including me have to have Dolby Digital turned off to get DD audio. Either, one side is lying to the other, one side does not understand how to determine if DD is actually on or we have 2 identical systems that do the opposite function, one as designed and the other opposite of the design. Assuming the latter is the case, that one just baffles me, I put on my software design hat and I keep trying to think how one could develop a software architecture where supposedly the same software on the same kind of hardware the toggle for the feature behaves exactly the opposite on 2 identical systems. (I do have some ideas but they are such bad ideas I am in denial that they would to such a thing)
     
  12. Malibu13

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    In reference to the DD bug......................mine was activating correctly until a week or so ago when there was a power fluctuation here that caused a reset. Since that time, in order for DD to activate and to be correctly displayed as such on my JVC receiver, it has to be in the "off" position on the HR20. Strange that some boxes work correctly with it "On" and some with it "Off".

    BTW, a reset to attempt to correct it, has proved useless. Although it appears the DD switch is backwards, it's not an issue for me but i can see where it would become quite annoying for others.

    As a further note, this happens to my unit only on Mpeg2, as i do not have Mpeg4 Locals in my DMA yet.
     
  13. mckeemike505

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    The big difference is that the living room one has more SL and is recording HD networks from New York. And I am using the bedroom to record all of the same shows almost from my MPEG4 HD locals. I just remembered that I set it up this way because of problems with wind and sprinkles causing me to have pixel problems and such. My signal strength on 103 is only 35-50 on a good day. Is that similiar to what other people you have seen on here get?

    Mike
     
  14. Twosted

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    I did a reset last night and mine still works with DD set to on. I have a Sony receiver. Strange:confused:
     
  15. btmoore

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    Once you understand what the hell is going on, and you are now in bazaro world it no big issue, you just set it off, but is it confusing and why it is happening makes my head hurt.
     
  16. mckeemike505

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    That is why I have wondered about the -s thing on the model #. I know some think it means silver and Earl is suppose to be checking but??
     
  17. houskamp

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    I would like to get a "this box is a POS" and a"no problems at all" people together and swap boxes to see if the problems go with the box or the setup...
     
  18. btmoore

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    Armageddon
     
  19. Twosted

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    That would be a good way to troubleshoot.:sure:
     
  20. Azalo

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    I have about 8 SL, ussually about 60% free, I don't usually delete after i watch. Had it since late September, only issue has been the unpausing skipping ahead to live.
     
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