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HR20 seems to be running Linux...possible GPL violations?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by mateom199, Mar 16, 2007.

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  1. Earl Bonovich

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    Actually to the first question:

    I know the right people... and it has been sent to them.
    Now will I get a direct response, or a different response then I have gotten in the past (and posted previously in the thread)...

    We will see.
     
  2. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Based on WHAT ?

    [Another troll here came here :(]
     
  3. Redlinetire

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    The phrase "my personal belief" should be self explanatory. :rolleyes:

    I was just pointing out the FUD that quickly spreads when GPL trolls sniff something in the air.

    There's one claim, somewhere, somehow, that some packet sniffer found the HR20 is running linux.

    And now all these trolls come out claiming the HR20 is running 'this or that' package, which of course they have no way of knowing.

    I'm convinced that GPL trolls are all ex TV evangalists, their self-righteous hypocrisy is that strong... :lol:
     
  4. Ken S

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    P Smith,

    Take a look at post #102 in this thread. He's already admitted that he is a troll. I wouldn't bother to take his posts seriously.
     
  5. Redlinetire

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    :lol:
     
  6. oakwcj

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    We shouldn't have to be playing these guessing games and DirecTV shouldn't be putting ambiguous language about open source software "that may be included in the Software" and information about which possibly included software "may be found in" various similarly vague places. Complying with the GPL isn't onerous and the requirements are very clear: provide the text of the GPL and information on how to obtain the source code. We aren't supposed to have to do detective work to find out what open source software has been distributed.
     
  7. P Smith

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    Yes, you're right - my memory keep track valuable info posted, not the junk.
     
  8. P Smith

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    As to getting this info, that could be done easily - the disk hold some logs in 2nd partition as it mentioned on other places.
     
  9. Redlinetire

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    Definition of FUD....

    "it could be done easily"
    "some logs on some 2nd partition"
    "mentioned on other places"
     
  10. Ken S

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    Yes, but sometimes it's valuable to no where the junk is coming from. :)
     
  11. jjohns

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    Agree. If you were a developer in the early nineties that participated in the volunteer groups across the world helping create Linux, you would know the entire spirit of the development was one of having an open source, smaller version of Unix that AT&T couldn't charge a small fortune for. (Like they did Unix). Now a multi-multi-million dollar corporation comes along 15 years later, runs their application on Linux, and all they have to do is recognize the people that put in that work voluntarily?

    This issue is really not that complicated. D*, for whatever reason, has decided not to follow others' lead regarding the compliance with the GPL. What is complicated, is trying to understand the reasoning and mindset of some who have gone to such extremes defending an inanimate multimillion-billion dollar corporation..
     
  12. Doug Brott

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    OK .. regardless of my or anyone else's position on the GPL, the HR20 is most certainly running Linux. The evidence is overwhelming despite the fact that, to my knowledge, no one has garnered shell access. It doesn't matter whether it's easy to obtain or not and without going into great physical detail, suffice it to say that Linux is the underlying OS.

    Linux should be treated as a given in this case. To suggest otherwise is actually spreading FUD, IMHO.
     
  13. Redlinetire

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    I was specifically referring to the claim that their running SquashFS.

    And I believe in innocent until proven guilty, which even applies to corporations, despite what "jjohns" and other users would claim. They've tried and convicted them already, again typical of the GPL trolls.

    A packet sniffer is not proof.
     
  14. jjohns

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    Oh, I get it - It's the old argument, "That's right, just stand there and believe your lying eyes!"
     
  15. mateom199

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    From the system log:
    Jan 1 00:01:06 Directv kernel: Linux version 2.4.29-uclibc-brcm build version (dtvcm@d-e37620) (gcc version 3.3.6) #1 Thu Jul 27 19:23:33 PDT 2006

    Jan 1 00:01:06 Directv kernel: Kernel command line: mtdparts=pace_dtv:896k(loader),1408k(kernel),-(rootfs) root=/dev/mtdblock2 rootfstype=squashfs bcmrac=0xd0 console=ttyS0,115200

    ....

    Jan 1 00:01:06 Directv kernel: Squashfs 2.1-r2 (released 2004/12/15) (C) 2002-2004 Phillip Lougher

    So yes, it seems as if they are using SquashFS.
     
  16. oakwcj

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    I've sent Mr. Lougher an email with a link to this thread and a VERY brief summary of the issue. I'll let you know if he responds.
     
  17. Redlinetire

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    Touche, my GPL wielding friend.

    But how does one hack to the kernal logs without violating your customer agreement?
     
  18. mateom199

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    Where in the agreement does it say I can't hook up an esata drive to my computer that was once hooked to my HR20? :D
     
  19. Redlinetire

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    Well, if D* is that sloppy then they are dumber than I could have imagined...:eek2:
     
  20. TommydCat

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    :new_popco
     
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