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HR20 Users, would you trade it for a TiVo

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 6, 2007.

Would you trade?

  1. No, I would not trade my HR20 for a TiVo

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  2. Yes, I would trade my HR20 for a TiVo

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  1. Oct 8, 2007 #201 of 340
    Sirshagg

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    Shoot! I voted NO but meant YES. I would absolutely trade every single one of my HR20's for an MPEG4 Tivo. From my perspective the shortcomings of the Tivo are few and at worst they are annoying. The HR20's do have some nice features that the Tivo's don't have but it's shortcomings are infuriating and go to the core of what a DVR is supposed to do - record the shows I tell it to. In addition I very strongly prefer the Tivo UI, especially the list view. I would however miss the P.I.G.
     
  2. Oct 8, 2007 #202 of 340
    Xing

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    I absolutely voted No! I really do not like theTivo UI. As far as the reliability of the Tivo versus the HR20, When Tivo was first released it was not reliable at all and when the HR10-250 was released it had multiple problems. The way I see it the HR20 is easier to use and mine have never missed a recording, 2 HR20-100's, it will only get better from here. The ONLY thing I like about Tivo that the HR20 doesn't have is the DLB. So no it was for me.
     
  3. Oct 8, 2007 #203 of 340
    msmith

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    I barely chose to remain with DirecTV at this time. The other option was Verizon FIOS with Tivo Series 3.

    What I lost and want back:
    Suggestions
    Dual Live Buffers
    Consistent Series Link/Season Pass
    Wishlists

    What I gained and want to keep:
    MPEG4 HD channels
    a little speed

    What I'm assuming would be in either:
    Video on Demand
    Undelete
    Online booking
    Medialink
     
  4. Oct 8, 2007 #204 of 340
    brianr4666

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    I would keep the HR20.
    1. TiVo will be out of business soon and then you will have a doorstop.
    2. Gone are the days of waiting 3-4 years for updates. I get them weekly with the HR20.

    While there are things I would like to add to the HR20. I like the interface and how it functions today. There are too many functions in the TIVo interface that I never use. It is easier to get to things I want in the HR20 without entering multiple menus. Recording from the guide and season passes are so much easier with the HR20.
     
  5. Oct 8, 2007 #205 of 340
    Xing

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    The HR20 has a 1 year warranty and should at most be replaced for 19.95 plus tax after that warranty expires. You should never have to pay more than this due to the product being leased, also there will be no new commitment!
     
  6. Oct 8, 2007 #206 of 340
    Hollingshead

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    I gotta say- The poll results reflect my thinking almost perfectly. I opted to trade for only one reason- my family really likes DLB. My wife still uses our old DirectTivo almost exclusively just because she is so used to flipping between channels to avoid commercials.

    Otherwise, HR-20 all the way. Interface is fine, reliability is OK. Speed is great.

    Add DLB to the HR-20 and you've got the best of both worlds.

    Best,
    Kevin
     
  7. Oct 8, 2007 #207 of 340
    jutley

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    I've never had a Tivo so maybe I don't know what I'm missing. I am happy with the HR20 and its functionality.

    About a year ago when I was looking into a DVR for the first time I read quite a bit about the Tivo and the hacks available for it. When I got my first two R15s I do have to say that I was disappointed that they were not hackable. I don't think about it very often, but when I do I sure wish the R15 and HR20 had MRV capabilities. That is the one thing I miss that I never had. :)
     
  8. Oct 8, 2007 #208 of 340
    reweiss

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    I like to ensure I'm comparing apples with apples. If you factor out the hardware (the HR20 is obviously newer and has better hardware) then from a gui standpoint, I feel the TiVo is superior. It's much easier to navigate around. The realiability of recording a "season pass" is much higher than the "series link".

    What remains is the functionality and the hardware.

    If they were to develop a modern DirecTiVo with comparable hardware and also include some of the latest and soon to be released features (i.e. VOD) then the TiVo would be a slam dunk for me.

    However, since the HR20 already has the better hardware and those functions. If D** were to make "series link" more reliable and modify the gui to make it a bit more user friendly, I'd probably lean towards the HR20.

    I'm hoping (since I have both DirecTiVo and an HR20) that this poll ultimately shows D** where each devices shortcomings are. In the end I suspect it will be much easier make improvements to the HR20 interface and "series link" reliability then it will be for TiVo to improve their hardware, include the new functionality and provide software updates in a timely manner (they have the added overhead of having to run everything through D**).

    (I assume this statement is more than my perception) Since this forum has been helpful to D** in making other improvement, do you think they would solicit our feedback or let us provide our recommendations for GUI changes? (Even going as far as to have a contest to redesign the GUI by creating our own graphics for what the menus should look like). Just a thought...
     
  9. Oct 8, 2007 #209 of 340
    fappy

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    I actually like my HR20, it's come a long way, but I LOVE my tivo, that's the difference. I would switch back to tivo in a second if I could.
     
  10. Oct 8, 2007 #210 of 340
    uscboy

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    Bad point and good point.

    First, I don't think Tivo threw anything away. Tivo is VERY dependant on other
    companies like DirecTV and now cable companies who use CableCards. Without
    those folks, they were bound to fail. DVRs should integrate, period. And unless
    the Tivo works with your provider, then your only option is IR blasters and tying
    up boxes while an external standalone unit records based on STB outputs.
    Which, for HD, isn't really an option, hence the move to CableCards - really their
    only move until the Comcast deal. Tivo has to have these deals to survive I'm
    afraid in the days of proprietary encrypted signals. I'd rather use an HR20 than a
    standalone Tivo, that's for sure. But I'd rather use an HR30-DTivo than an HR20
    personally.

    Second, it's a good point about them not building the box. Let it run the Tivo OS,
    but let DirecTV build/brand them however they want beyond that. DirecTV
    engineers should work with Tivo on feature development and software updates.

    Actually, scratch that... DirecTV should just buy Tivo. That'd make for a great HR30. :)
     
  11. Oct 8, 2007 #211 of 340
    puffnstuff

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    Just 3 letters DLB . Besides that I love my HR20 but all of my friends and family still refuse to use it because of DLB not being there . So they both sit only to be used by me . Oh you should hear the jokes , they are getting to be old and I still can't give them an answer why .
     
  12. Oct 8, 2007 #212 of 340
    DC_SnDvl

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    Again - TIVO

    Just give us the stinkn' DLB.

    Don't they read these forums?

    All we want is DLB:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  13. Oct 8, 2007 #213 of 340
    pigskins

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    YES!

    DLB. Period. There's 2 inputs for a reason, let us flip between them and fly through all those commercials without needing a 10-step workaround!
     
  14. Oct 8, 2007 #214 of 340
    tfederov

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    Not no, but heck no. TiVo was too slow and didn't (doesn't) have the same features as the HR20. All of my HR20s are networked without hacks for one thing and they're faster by a long shot response-wise.
     
  15. Oct 8, 2007 #215 of 340
    dpfaunts

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    I like the speed of the HR-20 and would hate to "re-learn" the TIVO
     
  16. Oct 8, 2007 #216 of 340
    lman

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    This discussion has been going on for over a year. So obviously DTV does not monitor this forum. Or could it be that there is no financial incentive to improve this inferior DVR. When they start losing customers they might figure it out.
     
  17. Oct 8, 2007 #217 of 340
    Earl Bonovich

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    Actually... they monitor it a whole lot more then most of you do.

    And the DLB "arguments" have been going on for almost 2 years now...
    In about 6 weeks, the R15 users will be past their 2 years... so let's see the loss of customers over this..

    I doubt it will manifest itself to any magnitude that DirecTV has to have a financial impact...
     
  18. Oct 8, 2007 #218 of 340
    lman

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    Maybe DTV has a financial reason for making it difficult to skip the commercials.
     
  19. Oct 8, 2007 #219 of 340
    mikeybc

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    MPEG-4 version of the DTivo would be my choice. Even without discussing the sometimes lackluster stability of the HR20, I still prefer the Tivo interface and of course DLB option over the HR20 interface and lack of DLB. They have made some great strides on the HR20 obviously with VOD and other cool features, but I still prefer the quality look of the Tivo interface over the sometimes thrown together views of the HR20.

    Don't get me wrong the changes made to the HR20 over the past year have been greatly appreciated. It's just my opinion and experiences that say the DTivo, with added MPEG-4 channels, would be the better receiver. I still run an HR10 - 250 and love it every day, outside of missing out of all the new great MPEG-4 channels...
     
  20. Oct 8, 2007 #220 of 340
    Earl Bonovich

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    So it is difficult to hit the SLIP or the FF button, on a recorded program?
    As that is the primary point of a DVR... to watch RECORDED content... isn't it?

    If you just wanted a tuner, to watch live TV..... then why have a DVR?

    It has been stated many times over... it has nothing to do with "financial reasons"
     
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