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HR20 Wish List

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by Doug Brott, Feb 22, 2007.

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  1. BrettStah

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    Apologies if these two things have already been suggested - I did not see anything like it on the WishList web page that is linked to in the first post here, but please let me know if I missed it.

    1) It is nice that when you bring up the list of recorded shows, that there is a shortcut to the To Do List (the yellow button). It would be nice if pressing the yellow button a second time would take you back to the list of recorded shows. (So the yellow button would just toggle between those two screens).

    2) It is nice to see the current space that is being used by my existing recordings. However, if I'm going out of town for a few days or longer, even though I may have a decent amount of free space right now, I (or my wife, daughter, etc.) may have scheduled a lot of things to record, and the HR20 may fill up before I get home. SO... I suggest that when you are in the list, it continues to show the current used space. But when you go to the To List, as you move down the list and highlight upcoming recordings, there should be a "Disk Space" indicator just like there is when you are in your list of existing recordings, except that it should figure out what the space usage will be based on all future scheduled recording up to and including the item that is selected.

    Hopefully that last one makes sense, but if not here's an example:

    Let's say that my HR20 tells me that I have 64% "available" right now. When I press the yellow button to see my To Do List, the disk space goes away. I'd like it to be there too, and if I move down the To Do List, the HR20 should calculate how much space that show will consume, and show me an anticipate percentage that will be free after that recording (and any recordings between now and the item that I selected) is recorded. So moving down the To List to tomorrow night's recordings may show something like "expected available free space" of 50%, and moving to the next night's shows may show "35%", etc.
     
  2. Doug Brott

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    Ahh, the ol' picture in picture feature. The hardware simply doesn't support it, so I will not be adding this one to the list .. sorry.

    Increase the Guide show information from 1.5 hours to 2 hours on each line is currently #12 on the HR20 Wish List, but I'm willing to entertain modifying the wording.

    Multi-Room Viewing via the Ethernet Port is currently #14 on the HR20 Wish List.
     
  3. BrettStah

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    I have an alternative request, if my second suggestion 2 posts up is too difficult... how about just have the To Do List have a line at the top that says something to the effect of this:

    "Available space is predicted to run out on Thursday, May 3rd at 7pm. One or more recordings will then be deleted as needed to make room for subsequent recordings."
     
  4. Steve

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    I would be inclined to keep it as simple as possible. I would just like to see a bar above the ToDo list reporting the current/anticipated storage details. The bar segments might be green for current storage, yellow for anticpated storage up to 100% and red for anticipated storage over 100% capacity. The bar should start at 0% and end wherever it needs to, IMHO.

    Really great idea, Brett! /s
     
  5. BrettStah

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    I can't picture this clearly... how would you know when the storage is anticipated to reach 100%?
    Thanks! There is a LOOONG thread over at the Tivo forums about showing current free space, and this was one of the suggestions that came about - I don't recall if it was my idea or not, to be honest. But I've always thought that just knowing the current free space is only giving you part of the information that most people want - most people want to know "current free space" so that they can figure out when they will have no more free space, so I figure that since these boxes are computers, they should have the ability to give us that information, based on the current information known to the scheduler.
     
  6. Steve

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    The bar would look just like the bar in the "List". Actual storage would be displayed as a green bar up to the real %. As you added shows to the ToDo list, the estimated storage would be added, but show as a yellow segment of the bar until the yellow hit the 100% mark. If the bar was only green and yellow, this would tell you that you have enough room for anything on the list right now. Once you added more to the list, that excess would show as a red segment of the bar, starting at 101%. You would know that these shows were in danger of not being recorded if you didn't either delete existing recordings or pare down your ToDo list. The bar would be interactive, so as you removed future recordings or deleted recorded shows, the bar would shrink interactively. /s
     
  7. BrettStah

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    My only issue with that would be, for me at least, my HR20 will probably almost always show red, assuming I use it like I use my Tivos. So for me it's not really as important to know if all items in the To Do List can be recorded without filling up the HR20, but when the HR20 will fill up. If I don't touch the HR20 at all, (and assuming the guide data doesn't have a last-minute change), when will the drive fill up? That'll let me go ahead and make some decisions before I leave town - do I go ahead and delete some items I had been keeping? Do I mark some things as "Keep" that I don't want to lose? Do I take some time and archive some things to DVD? Do I shift one or more upcoming recordings to another DVR? If I know that it won't fill up until Tuesday night, and I'm coming back in town Monday, then I can procrastinate on any and all of these things. If it tells me it's going to run out of space on Sunday, then I know I need to do something.
     
  8. BrettStah

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    True, but if I have recurring recordings set up, then things are added automatically - here's a scenario: I have an HR20, and set up recurring recordings for a lot of primetime shows - CSI, Law & Order, etc. Then my wife adds in some for some things that she watches. Then I hear about the new "Planet Earth" series, and add that. This goes on for awhile, and shows are recorded, we fall behind on various shows on occasion, then catch up when we can, etc. Then one Thursday evening rolls around, and I'm scheduled to go out of town for 3-4 days, starting the next day. If I go to the To Do List and see a red bar that you suggested, that tells me that the HR20 will run out of space sometime between now and when the current guide data runs out. But I want to know when, to know if the next 3-4 days are safe or not. I don't much care right now about 10 days from now - I'll have time when I get back to deal with it by then. So your proposed system would tell me one part of the information that I'm looking for, but I'd still not know all of the information that I am looking for.
    Right - I only want it to calculate with what information it has to work with - for example, if the existing recordings plus currently-scheduled recordings won't fill up the drive, then that should be indicated (green bar like you suggest, plus maybe something like "Currently-scheduled recordings will not use up all currently-available free space.". Or if we're using the free space gauge like they already have on the list of current recordings, then as you go through the To Do List, the bar would just never reach 100% as you go forward into the scheduled recordings.
     
  9. Steve

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    I now understand better what you are saying. You would like to see a bar that shows antcipated storage on a timeline. So maybe the legend on top of the bar is % storage, green, yellow and red. The bottom of the bar legend could maybe show days out. /steve
     
  10. BrettStah

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    That could work if implemented very clearly. The original idea that I posted was to have the bar be at the top of the To Do List, and as you scroll down item by item, have the bar update to reflect anticipated free space up to and including the selected item. So my Now Playing list could show me with 50% free space. Then I press the Yellow button to switch to the To Do List, and start scrolling down, and the 50% starts creeping up... 55% after tonight's Americal Idol records, 62% after Leno and Letterman record, 85% by Thursday night, and finally reaching 100% Friday night. Of course, it should take into account things like this - I have Letterman set to only keep one episode.
     
  11. Doug Brott

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    Re: space usage .. From my experience, a one hour SD program is about 1% disk space and a one hour MPEG4-HD program is about 3% disk space. This is how I would do the calculation if it became necessary.

    I usually find that it wants to start deleting stuff when I get down near 18%. It doesn't delete it, but marks it as being eligible for delete. Over 20% it doesn't show these markers.
     
  12. BrettStah

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    I wouldn't mind if they made assumptions like that - maybe err on the side of caution. But we're just talking about simple arithmetic, so I would *think* that it wouldn't be pushing the CPU that much to have it calculate this information. It already calculated available space. It already knows what is currently scheduled to be recorded, and what type of channel it's on. So they just need to add/subract as needed, and round up to give a more cautious answer (i.e., I'd rather it tell me that it's going to run out of space before it actually runs out, rather than after).
    That's good to know, as a brand-new HR20 owner! I've already got it to about 50% full since it was installed on Friday. :eek2:
     
  13. bikspk

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    Thanks for all the work Brott - you certainly spend a lot of time on this.

    I looked through the wish list and here are some that I didn't see.

    1. Sleep Timer: I tend to turn on the tube and fall asleep sometimes. A sleep timer that would shut off the outputs from the HR20 would be nice with 30-60-90 minute timers.

    2. Variable Audio Output: I have one HR20 hooked up to a Samsung monitor and the speakers (old pair of powered computer speakers) are connected to the direct audio out on the HR20. To change the volume I have to turn the knob on the speaker which is a pain. An option to have the audio fixed/variable would be nice where the volume was controlled from the HR20.

    3. Saved Category Search: My only category search is Sports->Soccer and it takes way too much navigation each time to get there. Maybe I'm missing something.

    For the longest time I had a Scientific Atlanta 8300 DVR for my Adelphia cable which had a boatload of features that are missing in the HR20 (Sleep, Audio, etc.) that I got used too.
     
  14. jasonblair

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    Why have you crossed out "Provide accurate repeat/first run & HD info so the right shows can be recorded p. 47" ?

    My guide shows Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! on WJLA-7 in Washington, DC as being in HD. The last I checked, they are still not in HD.
     
  15. Doug Brott

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    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=82840

    Jeopardy, and I suspect WoF, have some kind of weird HD format .. It's not 16:9 for some reason. The HR20 doesn't handle this format too well, so you're probably stuck with the bars on the sides for these shows.
     
  16. Drew2k

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    Jeopardy! and Wheel in the NY market have both been in HD for well over 8 months. If you have access to channel 86 (WABC-NY), turn it on at 7 PM Eastern - you'll see Jepoardy in 16:9 widescreen HD. It could be your local station is not showing it in HD.

    Edit: The shows went HD the week of September 11, 2007. Link: http://www.wheeloffortune.com/announcement_20060905hd.php
     
  17. BrettStah

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    OK, I just had my first recording conflict that involved 3 recurring series (aka season passes), and the way it was handled seems illogical (but please straighten me out if it actually makes sense to you! :D):

    I attempted to set up a season pass for "Lost", and it told me that it would conflict with "CSI: NY" and "How It's Made" (a show on the Science channel that I picked to record the first night I got my HR20, to see how it handled some SD content). No biggie, because "How It's Made" comes on all the time, so I chose to the option to override that show. However, I checked out the Prioritizer screen (I have a grand total of 8 right now :)), and "Lost" was at the bottom. I moved "How It's Made" to the bottom, but if I hadn't done that, what would have happened in the future when these three shows conflicted? My suspicion is that "Lost" would have eventually "lost" out to "How It's Made", probably after the existing guide data was eventually replaced with new data. If that's the case, that that is pretty messed up, in my opinion. The Tivos are better in one way... if you choose to make a new season pass "win" any conflicts, it is put at the top of the priority list. That's not perfect either, of course... ideally one would be able to place the new show exactly where you want it... maybe it's at the top, or the bottom, or maybe one slot higher than one or both of the conflicting shows.

    So my wishlist suggestion (to make this on-topic :)) is to have the GUI modified to allow for a more logical outcome when these types of conflicts are presented to the end-user. I don't know what the best way to word it for the survey, however.
     
  18. shmengie

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    here's a wish of super-major consequence: let's say a commercial comes up and i hit the 30-second skip four times. on the time bar it actually shows the number of 30-second skips it going to do. (cool!) what i would like is for that counter to go down as each 30-second skip is performed, so that i know how many are left to do. genius! thank you!
     
  19. BrettStah

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    Agreed! Also, if you press the instant replay button after you've pressed multiple 30-second skips, it should decrease the 30-second skip count. So if I quickly press 30-second skip 8 times, I could press instant replay 2 times and the HR20 should only skip ahead 3 minutes, instead of 4.
     
  20. Doug Brott

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    It's already there ...

    The 30 SECOND SLIP queues clicks and notes the number on the screen. It should decrement by one as each 30 SECOND SLIP is completed

    is currently #31 on the HR20 Wish List

    .. you can vote on it now.
     
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