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HR24 - Buy or Lease?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Rockermann, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. Rich

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    Huh. They're usually pretty good about keeping things straight. You might try calling the access card team and tell them what's happening.

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  2. Mark L

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    Best post I've read in some time :righton:

    You took the words right out of my mouth.

    DirecTV went the cheap route and gave us knowingly inferior hardware for many years, all in favor of securing contracts through its subscribers............. thus creating more profitability and driving up their stock price.

    Corporate greed strikes yet again.

    Thank God I still have my HR20-700, cause the other HR2*'s absolutely blow!

    I'll be purchasing an "owned" HR20-700 from a member on here vs. leasing and paying a $200 fee for a "Russian roulette HR2*". I'm honestly not confident I'll be with DirecTV for 24 more months (after 8 years of service), so it's better to go this route.

    As more bandwidth becomes available in the U.S., I have a strong feeling we'll see cable and satellite companies lose millions of subs, due to massively cheaper options for streaming television online.
     
  3. Mike Bertelson

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    To be fair, at the time the HR21 was released everyone was using the BCM7401 in their STBs; including TiVo HD, Dish Network DVRs, and Motorola to name a few.

    I don’t really it’s fair to say they “knowingly” put out an inferior DVR. They didn’t say “hey, lets put out some crap so we can get lambasted by our subs and the forums...yeah, let’s do that.” :rolleyes:

    Let’s not create some phantom conspiracy on DirecTV’s part to put out an inferior product for the sake of profits.

    I think it’s far more likely that Broadcom had a single chip solution the replace the BCM7411/7038; after all Broadcom’s boasts the same 300MHz CPU and similar specs for the BCM7401. The DVR manufactures (all the major players and not just DirecTV) decided to go with it. So would that be a bad decision on DVR manufactures part or good marketing on Broadcom’s part. :grin:

    I’ll concede that the BCM7401 never performed as well as expected and that the 24 series is far quicker than any previous HR2x. However, having had an HR20, 21, 23, 24, IMHO the HR20 was quicker than 21/23 but no where near the HR24. AAMOF, it’s closer in speed to the 21/23 than it is to the 24.

    I really don’t like the inability to deliver a particular DVR to a customer. I think that model was based on having all the same features and expecting the same performance. They shot themselves in the foot with that one. :D

    Hopefully they’ll stick with hardware that can handle the ever expanding feature sets and not lose performance. But, it’s certainly not a fair characterization to say they knew the performance would suck and did it anyway. The BCM7401 didn’t meet the expectations; no conspiracy to found. ;)

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  4. matt

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    No, they said "Hey, Motorola makes the best STBs, hands down, so let's do what they did!" :lol:
     
  5. Rich

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    I'm not too sure how long we'll have to wait for the streaming content to catch up with the PQ of the HRs when used on 1080p TV sets. I do think that the PQ of the Rokus is better than the HRs, but they only stream 720p and probably will continue to unless NetFlix starts streaming content at 1080i or higher. Their new boxes will do that and the older boxes will be getting an update soon that will allow, at least, the formerly top of the line XRs to get 1080p, but from where? I'm not interested in Amazon's streaming content, which is still in the 720p mode, or any other PPV movies. I haven't seen any mention of NetFlix upgrading to 1080 anything.

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    I've been using a 24-500 and a 24-200 along with my nine 20-700s and I really don't notice much speed difference. My wife's 21-700 is noticeably slower than the first three I mentioned.

    Did they release an inferior HR21-xxx (plus the 23 and the two 22s) knowing that the performance would be worse than the 20-700s? I think they went for cheaper STBs and let the chips fall where they did. They certainly knew the 21 series would be cheaper.

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  7. Rich

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    I used to test Motorola cell phones. Got $125 each time. Took less than an hour each time and was near my home. Never got one to test that I liked or would have bought. They finally got exasperated and asked me what I wanted in a cell phone. I took out my LG and showed them. Been a long time since they called me and they moved, so...

    Man, they had crappy phones.

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  8. hidef2010

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    Hey guys, I am leasing an HR22-100 & H24-100 (2 year contract/ I am 2 months in), I was told that, if I wanted to buy/lease another receiver, say a new HR24-100 that my 2 year contract would start again from that point. Is this true?
    Also, I already ran all the wires from my swim splitter to the other room of my potential new receiver, does D* have to send someone out to install it? I don't want to pay for a truck roll for something as simple as a hook up! I do home theatre set-up/calibration on the side, I am perfectly capable of doing this myself!

    Any comments welcome!!
    Thanks

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  9. matt

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    I made the mistake of buying a Motorola cell phone once. Now when it comes to business radios... they are the stuff baby. :D
     
  10. matt

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    If you leased one it would start your contract over again for 2 years. They would not have to come out and install it for you. Just a quick note (since I sell them all the time) that adding an owned receiver to your account doesn't extend your commitment, but since you are only 2 months in, I wouldn't consider that a deal breaker to add 2 months back on.
     
  11. Mike Bertelson

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    They, and a most other manufactures, went with the BMC7401 because it was a cheaper overall option than the two chip configuration (BCM7411/BCM7038). That in no way means they intended to sacrifice performance for price. Of course it’s only speculation on our part either way. Personally, I think it was a way to reduce the cost and it backfired by not holding up to the increases in functionality.

    IMHO, my HR21-100 is slower then when I first got it. I ran it side by side with my HR20-700 and there was no where near the speed difference that I notice today. This seems to indicate that the functionality has outgrown the system which is based on 2006 capabilities. The all in one option doesn’t seem to have handled the increased load very gracefully. Of course this is just a guess and I have no idea what they were thinking.

    I’m sure that’s why the 24 Series is based on having more horse power. They saw this coming and stepped up to deal with it. I have no idea how long the HR24 has been in testing but I’ll bet it goes back a ways. They took the bull by the horns and came up with a new platform that will to handle the ever added functionality.

    It is what it is. If we assume DirecTV intended to sacrifice performance (which I don't believe) then that would have to extend to that to all the other manufacturers who went with the 7401. :shrug:

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  12. Rich

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    Agreed, but they've had a kind of monopoly on them for a long time. The cell phones were terrible, but they were prototypes. I don't mean to give the impression that all Motorola phones are crap, just the prototypes that I tested.

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  13. Rich

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    One of the problems you have with devices such as the DVRs is the time it takes for them to go down in performance. But the 20-700 never did. And it was more expensive than the 21 series. I don't think they took the time to test them properly and they went the cheaper way. I'm not sure it was a bad business decision, they sure sold a lot of the 21s and if the people who bought them were satisfied, as I'm sure most were, the decision to supplant the 20-700s with a string of inferior HRs was definitely a good decision from D*s point of view. In the end, the DVRs were safe and nobody got hurt. It's not like what Toyota did, that was dangerous.

    A lot of people have criticized the lease program. That was a great business decision according to several people that I've spoken to.

    They are a business, and they do seem to make strange decisions on some things, but when you examine them from their point of view, they've done well.

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  14. Mike Bertelson

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    I have no problem with the lease program. I pay the same either way. I doesn’t matter what the name on the fee is, it still costs the same.

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  15. hidef2010

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    Thanks Matt for your response.
    So, are you saying if I purchase a new receiver from say you or solid signal all I have to do is call D* to activate it? Is there an activation charge?
    OR
    If I order a new receiver from D* (lease obviously) they would just ship it to me and I can install it myself and just call in to activate it? Is this correct?

    Thanks again

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  16. Mike Bertelson

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    Either way you can call in and activate and there isn't an activation fee. Unless the receiver you are getting is already owned it will go down as a lease but, owned or leased, it will start a new two year commitment.

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  17. hidef2010

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    Thanks Mike I now understand....... I guess I will just buy a new HR24-100 and activate it like you said.
    Oh $*T, I just remembered.....how will my existing h24 know which recordings to access? My h24 is now linked MRV with my HR22-100, when I add the HR24-100 what will happen?:eek2:

    Thanks
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  18. Mike Bertelson

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    All your receivers should see each other. If you add a new HR2x to the mix then you will see those recordings as a combined play list. Unfortunately it’s all or nothing. You can view the playlist on the local receiver (assuming it’s a DVR) or all the playlists. You cannot filter the play list by DVR.

    As long as the new HR24 is connected to the same network (DECA or Ethernet) to the rest of the receivers it won’t be a problem. It will just work.

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  19. Rich

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    My point was that the leased HRs still were owned by D* and they would be able to use that fact to their financial benefit. Maybe they get to depreciate them? Stuff like that. My wife explained it to me when the leasing program went into effect. Don't remember much of it. She thought it was a good decision, for D*.

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  20. Rich

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    New owned receivers don't trigger an extension of the commitment. Only leased.

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