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HR34 and Whole-Home DVR, PIP, RVU

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by David Ortiz, Jul 6, 2011.

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  1. Jul 8, 2011 #61 of 446
    hdtvfan0001

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    PIP? Seriously....that's a big deal?

    Hmmm....wonder why almost every TV manufacturer no longer offers it. ;)

    Having also seen this unit firsthand at CES...and understanding its an alternative way to delivery existing WHDS and HD DVR capabilities for a target market...it is a nice alternative for those locations where it fits.

    For DirecTV, its another way to cut costs on implementations (hardware).
     
  2. Jul 8, 2011 #62 of 446
    TheRatPatrol

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    Yes, for some of us it is. PIP is nice to have for keeping track of two games. PIP has been available on cable and E* for many years. I don't know why it took so long for D* to add it.
    Probably because it was to complicated for the average user to use. If the TV didn't have two tuners you had to either use one receiver and the built in tuner, which limited the amount of channels you could get, or two receivers, which got too complicated with all the remotes that had to be used to control it all.

    Having PIP built into the receiver is much easier for the average user. Hopefully they will implement the yellow button as a shortcut to activate it.
     
  3. Jul 8, 2011 #63 of 446
    Drucifer

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    Sports conflicts

    Two of my more expensive feature loaded LCD have PIP. But it is not a feature expected in cheap ones. The drawback has been the small screen is SD. That's not a good selling point for PIP.
     
  4. Jul 8, 2011 #64 of 446
    sigma1914

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    I'll definitely get one when released. I need the 5 tuners on one box.
     
  5. Jul 8, 2011 #65 of 446
    wingrider01

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    Might entice me to give up one of my owner HR2X boxes and move to a leased plan with one of these. I might be able to watch something at night when my wife and kids have all the other boxes tied up. All depends on what the upfront cost of the box will be
     
  6. Jul 8, 2011 #66 of 446
    Joke

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    This box sounds great!

    But damn I wish I had done more research before getting DirecTV installed last month. I went ahead and leased 3 HR24's because I knew two streams wasn't enough (and I wasn't sure 4 would be enough since I'd be managing them 2-by-2).

    One HR34 with 5 streams and 2 non-DVR boxes would've been my ideal equipment setup -- no futzing around with scheduling stuff on 3 separate boxes.

    Oh well, guess I'll just have to keep my eyes peeled for the upgrade options once they roll this out. I'll feel like a jackass for spending more money, but it might well be worth it.
     
  7. Jul 8, 2011 #67 of 446
    LameLefty

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    Since the HR34 isn't even released yet and no one knows when it will become generally available, you did the best research and got the best equipment to meet your needs that you could under the circumstances. Don't beat yourself up. :)
     
  8. Jul 8, 2011 #68 of 446
    Steve

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    Maintaining 3 schedulers can be a PITA. As someone with multiple HR's ATM, I know that well. That said, there are some advantages to going the way you went, IMHO:
    • 150 SL's
    • 300 hours of HD recording space
    • No single point of failure
    • Ability to pause LIVE TV wherever you're watching
    If DirecTV someday gives us a unified TO DO LIST and SERIES MANAGER, for some folks, a 3 DVR set-up might be a more desirable solution than a single 5-tuner HR34. Just my .02.
     
  9. Jul 8, 2011 #69 of 446
    David Ortiz

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    Regarding the single point of failure, wouldn't it be great if you could hook up an external drive to these boxes to backup your recordings? If a drive fails, you're covered. If the box fails, you connect your external drive to a new box and your recordings get copied to the main hard drive. I realize that recordings are tied to the original box; there would need to be a secure way to allow such a "restore" to a new box. It would be a great thing if there were a way to have a backup or a way to upgrade equipment without losing your recordings.
     
  10. Jul 8, 2011 #70 of 446
    RAD

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    That's something that folks have been asking for since the first HR20 hit the field. Maybe one day they might implement something but since they haven't yet I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
     
  11. Jul 8, 2011 #71 of 446
    Carl Spock

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    I'd rather have 3 DVRs, too. I only have two but I'll get another one for cheap when my anniversary date comes up in October.

    Of all of the great reasons Steve mentioned, maybe the most important one is redundancy. We're dealing with hard drives here, and the possibility of failure is relatively high for a piece of consumer electronics.
     
  12. Jul 8, 2011 #72 of 446
    tonyd79

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    Better check again. I have started looking at TVs and PIP is making a comeback. Sony dropped it and now their newest models have it back, for instance.
     
  13. Jul 8, 2011 #73 of 446
    RAD

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    Samsung also appears to be adding it back, one 2010 and two 2011 models had PIP on them that I purchased.
     
  14. Jul 8, 2011 #74 of 446
    Steve

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    Ya. It didn't go away because it was an unwanted feature, AFAIK. It went away as a result of the digital transition. Older sets used build in two analog tuners to allow PIP. Once sets needed to be ATSC-, NTSC- and in some cases QAM-capable, that meant up to 6 tuners might be required for PIP, which was probably cost prohibitive from a manufacturing standpoint. Digital-only tuner chips may be a lot cheaper now, so they're making a come back.
     
  15. Jul 8, 2011 #75 of 446
    Doug Brott

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    With the multitude of different input options that people are starting to use these days, it's actually not surprising. The decline was when folks moved to Cable/Sat and needed a converter box .. Now "the box" is moving back into the TV with things like Netflix, Vudu and other streaming apps built right in not to mention RVU capabilities.

    In other words, it's now become more likely that two different input options are in use than it was in the past. The key for a successful pip is the easy access to multiple sources.
     
  16. Jul 8, 2011 #76 of 446
    Drucifer

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    Multi-DVRs are fine. It's the managing the multi-DVRs that's the pain as long as there is no network managing features.
     
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    Jeremy W

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    Most TVs still don't have dual tuners, even if they support PIP. On my TV, the PIP source can only be the tuner, and if you're watching the tuner, you can't use PIP.
     
  18. Jul 8, 2011 #78 of 446
    hdtvfan0001

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    I don't buy that...and apparently most other folks don't either, or PIP would be a common feature.

    NFL Ticket, MLB, and other sports packages have game mix offerings that show multiple game presentations at the same time if that's something someone wants.

    After a few years of having it out there in the public....there's a reason most manufacturers don't offer PIP anymore - there was hardly any market for it.
     
  19. Jul 8, 2011 #79 of 446
    spartanstew

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    Even if that were true (which I'm not sure it is as I've always enjoyed PIP), times are changing. You don't think people want to watch a show and keep up with facebook via PIP? Or do a myriad of other things that TV's can now do at the same time?
     
  20. Jul 8, 2011 #80 of 446
    hdtvfan0001

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    Perhaps yes/perhaps no. :shrug:

    Your example though...is at least an interesting one. ;)
     
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