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HR34 PIP - Enhancements Needed

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by RACJ2, Mar 10, 2012.

  1. Mar 27, 2012 #81 of 104
    Drucifer

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    Yep, yesterday I got it to work while watching a Recording. Tried today to repeat, but was unable to do so.

    Just saw your update. I'll test the HR34 ONLY Recording & PIP during tomorrow ST [​IMG] game.
     
  2. Mar 27, 2012 #82 of 104
    RunnerFL

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    You turn off PIP, by whatever means that is changed to. You are really making this MUCH harder than it has to be...
     
  3. Mar 27, 2012 #83 of 104
    Drucifer

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    I'm doing it now. Watching Castle recorded on the HR34 and the Yankees live in the PIP.
     
  4. Mar 28, 2012 #84 of 104
    inkahauts

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    Actually, my point is that this makes it to hard. You are saying that the way you turn it on and how you turn it off are completely different.

    And would it ask you every time you flip tuners on dlb if you wanted to activate pip instead? If not how do you activate pip while dlb is active?

    I think it's best keeping different keys for dlb and pip activation.
     
  5. Mar 28, 2012 #85 of 104
    RunnerFL

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    omg dude, it's this fricking simple.... You press down and see a message asking if you want PIP our Double Play. You select PIP, bam you have PIP. Want to turn off PIP? Exit by whatever means they've provided. Right now that's using the info banner. Now press down again and select Double Play. And NO it would not ask you every time you flip tuners because it knows PIP is on so it knows to just flip the tuners. Does pressing down now ask you if you want to activate Double Play when PIP is on? NO! It simply switches pictures. Why do you now have to have it ask you every time? Again, you're making it much harder than it has to be.

    Yeah, well it's not all about you...
     
  6. Mar 28, 2012 #86 of 104
    Chuck W

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    Ok... using your method, so now I've activated and am in double play mode. So how do I activate PiP now, while in double play?

    Also, having to again grind thru menus to turn PiP OFF is what people are trying to avoid.
     
  7. Mar 28, 2012 #87 of 104
    RunnerFL

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    Since there currently is no way to force an exit of Double Play you can't. They'd have to create a way.
     
  8. Mar 28, 2012 #88 of 104
    inkahauts

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    You didn't hear my point. If double play is active because you where using it an hour ago, how do you switch to pip? This method has to many, if I am in this state, this happens, if I am in this state that happens.

    That why I think it needs it's own specific trigger that will always work regardless of double play. Plus it could allow easy access to turn it off, which the down arrow would never do.
     
  9. Mar 28, 2012 #89 of 104
    Drew2k

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    Thank you for posting the more detailed explanation of your proposal. I now understand it, but before I can buy into it I'd love to hear your "exit" option. The discussion started with wanting a quick way to launch PIP, but if it's at the expense of true Double-Play (full-screen dual buffer toggling) or requires new keys on a remote that has buttons being deprecated, I'm not sure we're simplifying ...
     
  10. Mar 28, 2012 #90 of 104
    RunnerFL

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    I believe someone already suggested dash to exit PIP, that works for me. We could do without dash showing us we're hooked up via SWiM or not.

    As for picking which PIP option to use, there are 5, I'm not sure how that can be done. There aren't 5 of any type of button on the remote that can be used for that.
     
  11. Mar 28, 2012 #91 of 104
    Drew2k

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    OK, here's a left-field proposal that uses two-keys, and requires a change to "true" DoublePlay as implemented on non-HR34 DVRs.... would this be a deal-breaker?

    Use DOWN as the DoublePlay/PIP key and on the first press, display a "pictorial" image showing the keys used for DP and PIP.

    If you want true DP, press DOWN again. You get full-screen video on the other tuner. To switch back to the other tuner, press DOWN-DOWN again.

    If you want PIP, press any of the following keys after that initial DOWN key:
    0 - Turn PIP off
    1 - Display PIP window in top left corner (get it? top left of the num keys)
    3 - Display PIP window in top right corner
    7 - Display PIP window in bottom left corner
    9 - Display PIP window in bottom right corner

    5 - Display PIP in side-by-side windows, and/or toggle audio by switching between PIP window on left and PIP window on right

    With this proposal it would always require two keys to toggle DoublePlay and PIP, but anyone can instantly switch display methods in just two keys...

    Here's a run-through to demonstrate, starting with DoublePlay off and no PIP windows present. Tuner is on 202.

    Press DOWN and see an on-screen graphic showing my DP and PIP options. If I hit EXIT, nothing happens. Instead I hit DOWN, so DP starts and I now switch to 206 on this tuner.

    Press DOWN-DOWN, and I toggle back to channel 202 on the other tuner.

    Now I want to see the buffers side-by-side, so I hit DOWN-5, and two windows appear, with 202 on the left and 206 on the right.

    I hit DOWN-5 again and audio jumps from the left window (202) to the right window (206).

    With 206 active in the right window, now I hit DOWN-1 and the display changes from side-by-side PIP windows to full screen video of 206, with 202 in the upper left PIP window.

    Hit DOWN-8 and now the window is in the bottom right.

    I now hit DOWN-DOWN and go from PIP back to double play in full-screen.


    So.... it sounds complicated, but gives instant 2-key access to all of the PIP and DP features, and with an on-screen graphic (with a setting to control the display of the graphic) this could be a great time-saver.

    Thoughts?
     
  12. Mar 28, 2012 #92 of 104
    RunnerFL

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    Way too complicated. I'll be honest, I quit reading about half way in because my head started spinning. :)
     
  13. Mar 29, 2012 #93 of 104
    Drew2k

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    :lol:

    OK, new simple proposal... :)

    [Down] [Down] = Launch DoublePlay if DP is off, or swap the tuners if DP is already on

    [Down] [5] = Cycle through all PIP options (from Off, to Side-by-Side, to Top-left, to Top-right, to Bottom-Right, to Bottom-left, to Off again)
     
  14. Mar 29, 2012 #94 of 104
    TheRatPatrol

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    I like your enthusiasm, but that's still too many button presses. ;)

    My vote is still for the dash button (or select or the yellow button :sure:) to be a quick on/off toggle, with one down arrow being the swap.
     
  15. Mar 29, 2012 #95 of 104
    Chuck W

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    Dash button works(if Directv really is silly enough to get rid of the rest of the color buttons). Then while in PiP use the UP arrow to cycle the positon of the window/split screen.

    Boy life would be so much simpler if Directv would come to their senses a leave the color buttons alone and use say the yellow to turn PiP On/Off and say Green to cycle the position of the window instead of cramming more and more stuff onto a single button depending on what mode you are in. :nono2:
     
  16. Mar 29, 2012 #96 of 104
    RunnerFL

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    Actually I like the idea of cycling through the window positions but now that you brought up the idea. They should make that happen with the left and right buttons. Up is for QuickTune.

    That ship has sailed...
     
  17. Mar 29, 2012 #97 of 104
    Chuck W

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    Not really. Directv can always come to their senses. Will they tho, is the question. :lol:
     
  18. Mar 29, 2012 #98 of 104
    mikek

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    How about a remote control that has PIP and SWAP buttons?

    Done.

    Seriously, I can't believe they made a box that has PIP but no PIP button on the remote control they comes with the box.

    At least there should be some discrete codes that you could map to a universal remote. But I have faith that directv will straighten it out eventually.
     
  19. Mar 29, 2012 #99 of 104
    RunnerFL

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    No, the ship has sailed and it's time for you to accept that. The remotes are already "out in the wild". I'm afraid it's a don deal.
     
  20. Chuck W

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    Currently, they are only for RVU's and Hotels. RVU's already have reduced functionality compared to pure DVR's thus less need for buttons.

    When they start handing out the new remotes with the DVR's/HR34's then I'll think about reconsidering. Until then, I'll continue to hold out hope Directv will come to their senses. :p
     

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