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Idea for Move to All HD Programming

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by amponzi, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Dont forget...to upgrade a current SD only customer to be able to use the HD channels feed (on 99 and 103 sats) in SD mode, so they can turn off the SD feed (on 101 sat) will not only require DirecTv swapping out receivers, but will also require them to swap out the entire DISH/LNB, and multiswitches with SWM technology, meaning, they will have to roll a truck to every one of those customers. Very expensive.
     
  2. Kansas Zephyr

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    You can buy new SD and ED digital TVs...look at the lower-priced models at Wal-Mart and Target.

    Remember that DTV doesn't always mean HDTV.
     
  3. lwilli201

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    Directv will have to start planning to replace Directv 4S in the next year or two. It was launched in 2001 so its EOL should be about 2015-16. It shares the SD load with Directv 8 which was launched in 2005. It would make sense for Directv to eliminate at least half of the SD capacity needs before the Directv 4S EOL. I would think Directv would not put up another sat at 101 to support SD. It will be interesting how it all shakes out.
     
  4. inkahauts

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    Ah, I believe this proces has already started.. It started the day they started launching sd markets in MPEG-4.. Its just gonna take forever to move everyone to mpeg4 boxes, and therefore only one real feed per channel being broadcast...
     
  5. Shades228

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    I would say that in 2-3 years this scenario may start to really get some light on it. Pending many factors such as BSS and HD saturation in the customer base. The more people upgrade now the less the cost is in the future.
     
  6. Davenlr

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    Since they have the orbital slot (and a prime one at that), I would expect them to keep that slot full. Nothing says they cant send mpeg4 HD channels from 101 KU, as far as I know. Id actually prefer a few PRIME hd channels be sent from 101 KU, such as The Weather Channel, ESPN 1 and 2, and maybe their most popular 5 or 6 others.... WHY? Because 101 KU hangs in there much longer during adverse weather conditions.
     
  7. evan_s

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    I don't think not replacing 4S at 101 would really net them anything in conus capacity since it's only a spotbeam bird. Also nothing says that a ku sat at 101 has to be Mpeg 2 or sd. The sat is pretty dumb and just takes a signal, amplifies it and retransmits it back down to earth. They can use mpeg 4 or hd on 4s or it's replacement just as easily as mpeg 2 sd. Just requires equipment upgrades on the customers end.
     
  8. hilmar2k

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    Yeah, Walmart sells exactly 8 (out of 102) non-HD TV's, and none bigger than 20". While it is still "technically" possible to buy a non-HD TV, it isn't really in practical purposes.
     
  9. Beerstalker

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    I've definitely been paying attention, but like others said when is this going to become a reality in the field? Also, as it was shown at CES I wouldn't be interested. Only 5 tuners total, and you can only watch 4 different things at once, no thank you. I've currently got 2 HR21s and an H21, and I will be adding another HR2x soon because I'm running out of tuners for recording on Monday nights. That's just in my small rental home. This solution wouldn't ever work for my parents as they have 8 TVs in the house. Now if the box gets upgraded to have 8 tuners or something like that it may become more feasible. Or I guess if I could get multiple HMCs, hook them all up to my home network, and be able to use the small boxes to connect to any of those HMCs that would be fine with me.

    That being said this device should actually make switching to all MPEG4 equipment easier. Like you said these small devices should be much cheaper to produce than an H2x receiver. So they would just swap out the existing standard def boxes with these small boxes, and then install 1 or 2 HMC boxes.
     
  10. bobnielsen

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    At the 2008 Directv investor's meeting a graphic was presented which showed a plan to no longer supply SD-only boxes and eventually go to the whole-home DVR. Since SD receivers and DVRs are still being produced, they are not quite there yet, but it may still be the goal.

    I have used a HR21 with a SD receiver for over two years and it works fine using the composite outputs.
     

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  11. PeterB

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    Once 72 is done, they should start moving the 119 locals Markets to Mpeg4 only as well. I know in my market, the Slimline is already the most common dish, as the old 3-lnb variants are quickly disappearing. They could clear a lot of space at 119 for more money making niche programming. Isn't 110 pretty much empty at this point? Or is there still some Mpeg2 HD up there?

    But in reality, I just want them to upgrade all my SD boxes to H21s for free so I can have more MRV clients. :)
     
  12. dishrich

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    Why??? You DO understand that all locals on 119 are on spot beams, so those can't be used for ANY CONUS prog anyway. And IIRC, about 5-6 x-ponders (out of 11) are spot beam only.
     
  13. Beerstalker

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    It could make room for more local channels on 119 though couldn't it? Or are the spotbeam transponders already set up for the maximum number of spotbeams they can produce? In other words could they add more spotbeams to the same transponders if there was room on them for more channels?
     
  14. Msguy

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    I see i'm chiming in on this topic a little too late. But reading some of the first posts, there is no way DirecTv or Dish Network could force HD. There are still way too many standard definition sets out there and there still will continue to be for a long long time. They can't really force anyone to run out and purchase a brand new HD set in todays economy with the way things have been. It would be cutting their own throat if DirecTv say stopped allowing Standard Def receivers and just went to all HD. There just is no way. I myself have HD Service but believe it or not I still have 4 other Television's in my home in various other rooms guest rooms, son's room, etc. that still have just a regular standard def television with a standard def receiver. If they forced me to get an HD receiver for those other rooms what i would end up doing would be cancelling my service for those rooms because the televisions that still run on the standard definition receivers still work just fine and i have no intentions on replacing them anytime soon. I can't justify running out and upgrading 4 other televisions in my home just yet when the ones I still have work perfectly good.
     
  15. Beerstalker

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    Whoa, nobody here is saying they are going to force HD. All of the HD boxes have the ability to use composite video/S-video to hook up to a standard def TV. I have this setup on my TV in the basement and it works great. You can either tune to the SD channels which looks just like it would if you were using a standard def box from DirecTV, or you can change to the HD channel (if you have HD access) and the box will output either a letterboxed 16x9 picture, or it will crop the 16x9 picture to make it fit the 4x3 TV. The HD channels look 10x better than the SD channels either way (they look more like DVD quality if not a little better).

    We are just talking about them switching to only HD receivers, and only broadcasting in MPEG 4. The SD customer would then just decide if they want the HD channels letterboxed or cropped, and other than that it really wouldn't effect them at all. DirecTV would come out and swap out all of their old receivers for new MPEG 4 capable receivers for free. This is pretty much exactly what they are already doing in areas that have their local channels on the 72.5 satellite. They give them a new Slimline dish, replace all their recievers with H2x or HR2x boxes, and upgrade the wiring if needed, all for free. They do not make you go out and buy new TVs.
     
  16. dishrich

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    Yea, but if they are going to add more local channel (markets), they'll just put NEW ones up in Ka & leave these on 119 alone... ;) ;)
    They can't add more spots to these x-ponders w/out launching a new bird.
     
  17. kevinwmsn

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    110 still has the old mpeg2 HD(70s). Nothing has been announced what will go there once they decide to turn those off. We probably won't know a definite plan till D12 has been tested. One of the ideas was moving the international programing from the 95 satellite to 110.
     
  18. tyrok3k

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    I thought they were forcing people to upgrade to the new MPEG4 dishes because they were getting rid of the MPEG2 HD channels in the 70s. I had no idea that local channels are still MPEG2 in some areas and that's why they kept them. They could probably add 9-10 new HD channels if they dumped those last 5 remaining MPEG2 duplicates.
     
  19. dishrich

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    They ARE - but still 2 different upgrade situations

    NO, because D* is NOT putting any MPEG4 HD on 110 or 119, so it makes NO difference in that regard
     
  20. hilmar2k

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    They better not, anyway. Lots of people have no access to 110 or 119 (myself included).
     

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