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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by ciurca, Apr 29, 2009.
If DirecTV bought FIOS or merged with them would the FCC allow it?
Sure. Why wouldn't they? FiOS is considered cable - there isn't a lack of cable providers out there. The reason they stopped the DirecTV / Dish merger several years ago was because that would have created a single large DBS company, which the FTC considers a monopoly. FiOS, though, like I said is considered cable - there's nothing monopolistic about the two companies merging. I don't think it'll happen - but I don't believe it would be stopped if it did.
Didn't stop them from allowing Sirius and XM to merge. Gotta love consistency.
I just threw up a little in my mouth. :sure:
Well, it's been speculated that Dish and D* would be allowed to merge now, since the technological landscape has changed dramatically since they attempted to merge years ago. But who knows?
There are different reasons behind the two deals. Not saying I agree, but there are distinctions. These are the two main ones that I've heard. First, the FCC considers DBS as separate from cable. So, yes, having DirecTV and Dish merge, per their definition, would create a monopoly. But didn't the XM/Sirius merger do the same thing?
Yeah it did, but again, there are a couple distinctions. First (from what I understand) is an issue of availability. To get either Dish or DirecTV you need a pretty specific line of sight. There are customers who could be conceivably left out in the cold if the two merged, because both services aren't available to every person in the US due to geography. That's not as much of an issue with satellite radio. Again, not sure I fully understand, or agree, with the reasoning, but that's one reason I've heard for allowing the XM/Sirius merger to go through.
Second, sometimes monopolies are inevitable. I've used this example before, but a number of years ago the FTC allowed the merger of the last two US-based commercial airframe manufacturers - Boeing and MD. Why? Because MD was going out of business. One way or the other there was only going to be a single airframe manufacturer. So the FTC decided that allowing the merger was the less destructive of the two options. From what I gather, similar reasoning went into the XM/Sirius merger. I don't think the market was able to sustain both companies profitably.
I can see the FTC allowing a DirecTV/Dish merger per the second item. Increased competition from services like FiOS, U-Verse, and IP, as well as the big push to bundling services, have created a similar situation in the DBS world. Although it could be argued that, with the explosive growth DirecTV has enjoyed over the last few quarters, that's not really true. I look at Dish - and they've had a rocky few quarters. In this economic climate, it really wouldn't shock me if they went belly up in the next couple years. Again, the argument could be made that, at the end of the day there's only going to be one DBS provider.
As for the comment about FiOS being considered cable - yeah, I know... it makes me a little light-headed too . But per the FCC, they are cable. They have the same requirements that traditional cable does - need to procure franchise agreements... and all the FCC regs that cover cable also cover FiOS. From a legal perspective, they're a cable company.
I don't see why not.
Maybe then, the FCC would make D* provide cablecards for their sat service too....
Neither will happen.
Is there any way that DirecTV could buy FIOS and dissolve in to oblivion--any legal way that they could make sure that it would fail?
Without rehashing this too much here's the run down on this topic.
XM/Sirius proved that neither company would generate a profit and therefor competition was killing them not helping them.
DirecTV/Dish make a profit so the XM/Sirius comparison stops at "They have satellites and customers".
The largest reason that the FCC denied the merger was due to rural areas who only have 3 choices and some that only have 2. OTA, DirecTV, Dish. This would remove any option for these customers as the NRTC has failed in most areas.
So you were close on most of it but just wanted to clarify it a little more.
So to get back on topic.
I would take the internet part of FIOS in a heartbeat but not the other services.
Sounds similar to something I heard many years ago - Ted Nugent wanted to buy up Muzak... so he could destroy it. The question is - why would you want that? Could they? I guess... if DirecTV had the money to buy out Verizon and take over the network (considering Verizon is going to spend $23Billion just to roll out the initial footprint of FiOS, I think this is probably a tad unlikely). But again, why would you want that? The best thing for DirecTV, and its customers, is to have stiff competition.
I've posted elsewhere that, even though I'm a FiOS customer, I was giddy when DirecTV did their big HD push back in 2007. Why? Because I knew that would mean more HD for me - there was no way that Verizon was going to sit back and let their big, expensive investment get rolled. I knew it was just a matter of time (less than a year, in fact) before they caught up.
Your first point is the same as mine - that the market couldn't sustain two separate satellite radio providers. As for the second point - I'm only repeating what I'd heard. That it wasn't just an issue of rural providers only having DirecTV and Dish as possible pay TV providers. But because some rural customers could ONLY get one of the two due to line of sight issues. Again, that's what I heard.
FIOS is finally available in my neighborhood and I am still undecided on what to do. I am definitely going to switch for the net and phone but not sure about tv. The limited storage is a major issue, we have a ton of stuff recorded just for the kids let alone what we record. We have a TB drive that on,y has about 9% left right now. Now some can be deleted due to dups but most we are just behind on our seasons.
I just printed out a channel list and need to do a real comparison to see if they have more of what we would want. From briefly looking it looks like there are none of the kids stations in HD, this is very disappointing. I am thinking of having it installed and then do a side by side comparison to see which is better. Time to also research the TIVO and Moxie and see what they offer.
I'm very happy with FiOS internet, Vonage phone and D* TV. Vonage has been rock solid riding on FiOS.
I pay $42 for 10/2 internet, $25 for Vonage, including taxes (I prepay each year), and $102 for D* with 6-DVR's, 1-H21 and the protection plan. So $169 Triple Play, with 7 displays and 6 DVR's.
I think I have finally decided to make the switch to Fios. I was able to find some of the Tivo HDs on clearance at Sears for 148.97 which is what I figure I would be paying around for the new Directivos. Also with not knowing what the new Directivo will and won't have I figure now is a good a time as any. Worst case I may keep one Directivo running so I can keep my current package which is no longer available and also still keep my E/W feeds for NBC and ABC.
After this week, I would jump to FIOS in a heartbeat, I'm sick of rain fade, I've lost signal every day for at least the last 7 days. Had maybe one or two brief outages all winter, now that it's getting warm weather and we have constant rain and thunderstorms, it seems to be a constant thing.
I don't care about any of the sports packages, the ones I do care about I could get with FIOS anyway. HD is great, but the rain fade during the summer months is just too irritating and it's like an early warning system, I know it's gonna rain probably 10 or 15 minutes before it ever starts. I'm even losing the SD channels and the signals on those are in high 90's and several at 100.
We had a lot of rain in the NY area about 3 weeks ago. I had a lot of recording issues as a result and had DirecTV come out to see what was up. Turns out my Dish was pointed correctly, but the LNB arm wasn't mounted with the correct screws, so as a result, it wasn't as rigid as it should be. So even though I was getting acceptable signal strength in good weather, once there was a little wind, the dish would apparently start wobbling a quarter of an inch or more the wrong way. According to the tech, some of my "rain fade" issues were really "wind fade" issues.
He wound up replacing my dish with a new one with a triple-LNB, instead of the 5-LNB I had, because I no longer needed 110 and 119. I get all mid to high 90's where I need them now and recordings have been great, so far!
Not saying this is the case with your install, but when you said high 90's and rain fade, it sounded a bit like my situation. /steve
I guess it's possible, but today it was a beautiful day, no wind, just some heavy clouds, and when it finally started raining I was back in business within 3 to 5 minutes. I don't know what it is, but it's definitely a lot worse when it approaches warm weather, during the winter months it doesn't seem to matter how bad the weather, I only suffer brief outages, but warm weather and it's a major pain. I may try to schedule a tweak anyway, I'll probably never see FIOS around here and the local Comcast has a pitiful HD selection.
Maybe you can find out before the tech gets there if you still need a 5 LNB (assuming that's what you now have). They can keep the dish and just swap the LNB assembly. I could be wrong, but I would think just tweaking for 99-101-103 can be done more accurately if you don't have to worry about 110-119 as well. Just a thought. /steve
No - fios doesnt have sunday ticket.
There's nothing wrong with this old thread, but it has gotten a bit long, so let's retire it and start up again here: