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Discussion in 'Home Theater Audio' started by ron mexico75, Jul 22, 2013.

  1. ron mexico75

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    So I am having a company come out and mount the plasma on a brick wall. Have to install a power source too, run wires behind wall etc. He stated that they would be using one 30-35 foot HDMI from the tv to a 3x1 switch over to where the bookshelf holds everything. Then use "jumper" HDMI cables 3-5 feet long from the switch to each component.
    Anything I should be worried about? Are the HDMI sitches a good thing?
    He also said that the ARC on most setups he has dealt with is a pain and only works some of the time. He suggested just using the digital optical on the tv to the sound bar I am buying because it would be more stable. Does that sound legitimate?
    I've read reviews about Panasonic plasmas that they do not allow you to turn off the internal speakers just allow them to be turned down? Will this present an issue with turning the volume up and down via a sound bar?
    I picked the JBL SB400 because of the 4 HDMI ports. Now it doesn't appear that I will even use those. Would the Kllipsch be a better choice now?


    http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Cinema-Soundbar-Speaker-System/dp/B00AWTW480/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=EJYDESP9YZRY&coliid=I6069UGQULW07
    http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-HD-Theater-SB-Soundbar/dp/B0092QGSHM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=EJYDESP9YZRY&coliid=IZPU4S2UUGG71
     
  2. ron mexico75

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    Anybody know about this or have an opinion that can help me?
     
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    The sub for one. It goes down to 28 and the other one only goes to 38. The lower the number the lower the bass you will get from it.
    The size is important also. I have an 8" and 2, 10" subs. The 10" has 25% more surface area than the 8". The surface area is where you get the lower notes and the volume. I can't hardly tell if my 8" sub is working or not when I do all that I can to adjust it. Not so with the 10" subs.
    The 8" sub is now disconnected and in the closet now.
     
  5. Rich

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    I've got 8 Panny plasmas and they all allow the speakers to be shut off.

    Rich
     
  6. ron mexico75

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    I've got 8 Panny plasmas and they all allow the speakers to be shut off.

    Rich


    Okay well that's good to know. I found it hard to believe you couldn't do that because my six-year-old Hitachi allows you to turn them off. I guess it was some idiot poster on Amazon who had no idea how to do it so he just assumed it cannot be done.

    I am getting the VT 60 by the way.
     
  7. ron mexico75

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    The sub for one. It goes down to 28 and the other one only goes to 38. The lower the number the lower the bass you will get from it.
    The size is important also. I have an 8" and 2, 10" subs. The 10" has 25% more surface area than the 8". The surface area is where you get the lower notes and the volume. I can't hardly tell if my 8" sub is working or not when I do all that I can to adjust it. Not so with the 10" subs.
    The 8" sub is now disconnected and in the closet now.


    Okay interesting that's one thing I was worried about. I used to have a JBL 10 inch hooked up when I had a receiver and surround speakers. Absolutely loved that thing. that's one concern I had going down to an 8 inch after having the 10 inch for about 10 years.
     
  8. jimmie57

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    The review for this one is very good. Read the review of the guy that tried and returned several until he bought this one.
     
  9. ron mexico75

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    The review for this one is very good. Read the review of the guy that tried and returned several until he bought this one.


    Which one?
     
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    The review for this one is very good. Read the review of the guy that tried and returned several until he bought this one.


    The JBL or the klipsch?
     
  11. jimmie57

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    klipsch

    I just noticed that this one only had the red and white and the optical connection. Your TV has optical digital output.

    This was in your original post " He suggested just using the digital optical on the tv to the sound bar I am buying because it would be more stable. Does that sound legitimate? "


    I like the optical digital output. I run one from my DTV receiver directly to the connection on my Yamaha.
     
  12. kikkenit2

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    Ron, you bought the correct tv, but you are doing this home theater build all wrong.
    I love this site for satellite service, but these questions should be posted at avsforum.com.

    By avoiding routing your audio and video thru an audio/video receiver you are downgrading
    the quality of both. Sending digital optical audio from the tv to the soundbar is not near as
    good as connecting all your input devices to the receiver and then connecting the toslink audio
    directly to the soundbar and hdmi video directly to the tv. Don't route your audio through the
    tv if possible.

    And don't mount that 60" tv all the way up to the ceiling. Tilted or not, way too high. And the
    soundbar goes underneath that correct? You are slowly cooking all that fine equipment you
    just bought. Hope it doesn't get cold there much mounting above a stove room heater.

    There are mounts where you can telescope the tv away from the wall a foot or two. Still too hot.
     
  13. ron mexico75

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    Yes I hear you thanks for your opinion and thank you for posting. I've been through this mounting dilemma before I already had a thread on it. That is the only place this TV can go in this new house with the furniture we have so I've already debated that. This is where it's going to go.

    Normally I would have bought a new receiver and a gone that route. However because this TV is not going on a stand and is not up against the wall I need it to look clean. I do not want to have to be drilling through walls and floors just to put speakers up plus there's no good positioning for rear speakers anyways. This house has all hardwood floors and there is a bedroom right above the family room so I don't think it would be a good idea to have a really powerful system anyways. I am more or less looking for something that is better than the TV speakers with a little extra added bass. That is why I chose the sound bar option. Now that I've made that decision I just want to get the best one that is out there that is reasonably priced. I have seen ones upwards of $2000 And that is ridiculous for a sound bar.

    You are the second person who has mentioned a sound bar and a receiver, could you explain that? I thought sound bars did not require receivers everything was built into them? I mean depending on the cost, could you provide me with a link to the set up you are talking about? It does interest me.
     
  14. jimmie57

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    Ron,
    lots of the older TVs did not output Digital Audio. Yours does. Look on page 27 of this manual for your TV.
    From the Manual, " DIGITAL AUDIO OUT PCM / Dolby Digital, Fiber Optic"

    http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP55VT60.PDF

    If you are going to use a soudbar I would go thru the TV first.
     
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    Could you kindly explain why this is so? I don't have a soundbar, but I do not run my DIRECTV's (HR44) HDMI through my AVR, and I do link audio to the Denon via optical from the TV. My speaker set up is at this moment 2.0! We've just moved, and haven't the right stuff to put in a center channel or woofer for now.
     
  16. jimmie57

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    Check your TV manual and see if it Outputs Dolby Digital. If it does I doubt if there is any difference.

    With the HR44 you could just run this direct from it to the AVR and try it to see if there is a difference.
    There is a possible drawback to going to the AVR from the HR44 and that is Lipsynch. If it sounds better you need to look at the AVR manual of how to correct it.
     
  17. kikkenit2

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    The tv manual says it will pass digital audio through the tv,
    but it doesn't say what happens to that audio as it passes
    through the tv. They have been downmixing 5.1 all along
    and it still a problem.

    At least Home Theater magazine says so. The recent version
    that tested several soundbars found a huge degrade in sound
    quality when passing the audio through even the newest tv's.
    It is discussed on page 3 by the editor.

    The new TV's are getting better, but it is still a problem. Only
    in depth reviews define the actual signal coming out of the tv.
    The manual doesn't admit that they are downmixing the audio.

    Most new receivers don't have toslink out so bypassing the tv
    is complicated wiring. An older cheap receiver that has hdmi and
    digital audio out would work best. Connect all sources to receiver
    and run hdmi and toslink cables together out to tv/soundbar location.
     
  18. jimmie57

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    This is from my TV ( Samsung ) manual.


    Connecting a Digital Audio System
    The rear panel jacks on your TV make it easy to connect a Digital Audio System (Home theater/Receiver) to your TV.


    1. Connect an Optical Cable between the "DIGITAL AUDIO OUT (OPTICAL)" jacks on the TV and the Digital Audio Input jacks on the Digital Audio System.

    When a Digital Audio System is connected to the "DIGITAL AUDIO OUT (OPTICAL)" jack: Decrease the volume of the TV and adjust the volume level with the system’s volume control.


    TV Rear PanelDigital Audio SystemOptical Cable (Not supplied)


    5.1CH audio is possible when the TV is connected to an external device supporting 5.1CH.
     
  19. kikkenit2

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    Here it is. From a review of the ST60 by Home Theater magazine May 24, 2013

    "If you expect to connect a soundbar and have the TV perform switching among HDMI sources such as a cable box and Blu-ray player, be advised that the ST’s optical digital audio output you’ll use to feed the soundbar downconverts all multichannel Dolby Digital and DTS bitstreams to PCM stereo, which will bypass any DD or DTS decoder built into the soundbar and result in less-than-best sound quality. This practice is unfortunately common to most HDTVs today."

    http://www.hometheater.com/content/panasonic-viera-tc-p60st60-3d-plasma-hdtv

    Just found several reviews of the VT60. Fantastic picture and speakers sound better than most.
    So far not one tested the digital audio out. HT reviewed the VT50 but didn't test the audio out.
    For those that use a soundbar that Samsung may be a better deal. And the VT60 might not
    be downmixing, but it very likely is and most brands/models still are degrading digital audio as
    it passes through the tv.
     

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