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In DNA Ruling, a Cruel Blow to Scriptwriters

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Steve, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. Jun 5, 2013 #1 of 18
    Steve

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    From today's NY Times:

     
  2. Jun 5, 2013 #2 of 18
    photostudent

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    We will just laugh when we see reruns where they have to sneak samples of DNA.
     
  3. Jun 5, 2013 #3 of 18
    Laxguy

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    Not too many shows have a problem with suspending reality or merely stretching it.... :evilgrin:
     
  4. Jun 5, 2013 #4 of 18
    fleckrj

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    The fact that they get the DNA analyses back within a few hours already suspends reality.
     
  5. Jun 5, 2013 #5 of 18
    phrelin

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    Ah, well, things are not like they used to be.

    From this 2012 article DNA machine can sequence human genomes in hours:
    And then there's this April 2013 article Teenage scientist builds DNA machine to find out why his brother has ginger hair:

    I can remember when building a crystal radio set was a big deal for a kid....

    Anyway, there's this from Autogen:

    So if your local police department doesn't want to mess with "bits and bobs" to assemble their own machine, they can buy one.
     
  6. Jun 5, 2013 #6 of 18
    Laxguy

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    Nice finds, phrelin!

    I won't stop until I perfect a DNA analyzer that's not only fast, it can sample without touching the, uh, suspect. It'll use some combo of radar, sonar, infrared, and a materializer similar to the one on Star Trek, but much smaller.
     
  7. Jun 5, 2013 #7 of 18
    Nick

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    For the singles dating scene, first date: a quick kiss, then a subtle touch to ones lips then to a smart phone's internet-connected DNA analysis app will instantly and secretly yield to the user the following information: credit rating, criminal history, mental stability, financial statement, health status, sperm count and genetic suitability for biological parenthood.

    It's coming.
     
  8. Jun 5, 2013 #8 of 18
    Laxguy

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    It should also include information how recently the suspect, I mean potential date, has had sex, with whom, and was it fully satisfactory. Also, gotta have the ovary check for soundness if you're doing a sperm count.
     
  9. Jun 5, 2013 #9 of 18
    tsmacro

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    You really want to make a zillion dollars? Create a small scanner that you can quickly scan a person and see if they have any STD's, you can stock them in stores next to the condoms or for that matter put them in vending machines in nightclubs.
     
  10. russ9

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    Well that should cut down on population growth. And second dates, for that matter.
     
  11. The Merg

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    While the Supreme Court just ruled in favor of this, it has actually been going on for a quite a while. Most states require DNA swabbing for violent felonies at the time of arrest. And it's not like that swab gets put in the system, there's an instant match, and the suspect is now charged with a new crime. If gets put in the system and if a match occurs, the detective that submitted the original sample is notified, but it could be a few weeks. The detective then needs to write a search warrant for a DNA sample from the suspect to compare directly to the original sample. That comparison will take a few weeks at least.


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  12. SayWhat?

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    I'm not connecting the dots here. What does a Court ruling have to do with TV scriptwriting for a fictional show?
     
  13. James Long

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    The previous interpretation of the law was that the authorities could not compel a DNA sample. So in many fictional shows they showed detectives and investigators getting DNA via sneaky methods ... for example, offering their interview suspect a drink and then saving the cup for DNA testing. Some criminals on shows have been portrayed as avoiding such traps.

    The ruling will allow authorities to compel ... so the need to be sneaky goes away. The thought is that shows that show sneaky investigators will be mocked - why be sneaky when you can compel? Especially in shows where they explain via dialog that they cannot compel DNA and they have to be sneaky.
     
  14. Laxguy

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    Heh. It could be a flashback!!
     
  15. SayWhat?

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    Well, that wasn't fiction. That happened in some real cases.
     
  16. The Merg

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    The previous interpretation of the law was that the authorities could not compel a DNA sample. So in many fictional shows they showed detectives and investigators getting DNA via sneaky methods ... for example, offering their interview suspect a drink and then saving the cup for DNA testing. Some criminals on shows have been portrayed as avoiding such traps.

    The ruling will allow authorities to compel ... so the need to be sneaky goes away. The thought is that shows that show sneaky investigators will be mocked - why be sneaky when you can compel? Especially in shows where they explain via dialog that they cannot compel DNA and they have to be sneaky.


    Just to clarify, the ability to compel is when the subject is arrested. Either consent or a search warrant is still needed if someone is just a suspect and is not under arrest.


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  17. James Long

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    That should help with most shows where they are being sneaky and have not arrested the suspect. Brought in for questioning and arrested can be a fine line. I'm sure that in real life investigators will continue to use discarded DNA in the same ways as the fictional shows have shown investigators using it.
     
  18. Steve

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    From today's New York Times:

     

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