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In wake of recent shootings FL wants to loosen Gun Control! I love it!

Discussion in 'The OT' started by cj9788, Jan 26, 2011.

  1. Feb 1, 2011 #221 of 256
    runner861

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    The Supreme Court has not ruled on the 2nd Amendment impact on carry laws. So I don't think that the refusal to issue the permit is a violation of the 2nd Amendment. I haven't seen the filing, but I think that the lawsuit would be based on statutory, not constitutional, grounds. Of course, there is always the possibility that a trial judge will try to expand the reach of the 2nd Amendment, but a trial court ruling does not set precedent binding any other court.
     
  2. Feb 1, 2011 #222 of 256
    Nick

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    Is that a banana clip in your Uzi or are you just glad to see me?

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    He's 32 and still living at home.
     
  3. Feb 1, 2011 #223 of 256
    MysteryMan

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    This situation took place in the 70s (my error for not posting). The point I was making is my friend met all the requirements for obtaining his local pistol permit and that a single individual with a anti gun attitude abused his authority. Had my friend lived in any other town or city he would have been granted his permit without having to go through such extremes. I would like to add that my friend went on to become a State Police Officer.
     
  4. Feb 1, 2011 #224 of 256
    bobukcat

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    I just lost my appetite Nick! :barf:
     
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    :eek2: He looks familiar......now I remember, that's Attar from "Planet of the Apes" (2001)! :eek2:
     
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    What a way to kill a thread...........

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  7. Feb 1, 2011 #227 of 256
    BattleScott

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    I'm still "pro-gun" but now I'm definitely for banning all digital cameras..:ewww:
     
  8. Feb 1, 2011 #228 of 256
    cj9788

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    !rolling
     
  9. Feb 1, 2011 #229 of 256
    Drucifer

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    NY Hudson...
    In two states with lax gun laws.

    Here's the details on your Arizona hero . . . .

    http://www.slate.com/id/2280794/
     
  10. Feb 1, 2011 #230 of 256
    cj9788

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    That was St.Petersburg, in Miami the suspect came racing out of a bedroom firing his gun. He was able to take out two cops who each had over 20 years on the job. I realize having a gun will not guarantee ones safety but the world would just be to scary without the option to have one.


    Is that opinion piece criticizing him for making the right decision? Thats how it read to me.
     
  11. Feb 1, 2011 #231 of 256
    Drucifer

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    NY Hudson...
    As the hero stated, it was luck.

    And the article doesn't criticize him. It criticizes the situation he ended up placing himself in.
     
  12. Feb 1, 2011 #232 of 256
    James Long

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    No ... I believe the story I heard was from the man Joe Zamudio almost shot. As stated above, my "hero" decided to rush the gunman instead of firing into a crowd.


    Still, with the laxness of gun laws we have more dead officers.

    All the criminals were doing were defending their liberty.
     
  13. Feb 1, 2011 #233 of 256
    Stewart Vernon

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    Another aspect of gun control and the right to arms... that I don't see people always acknowledging...

    You have the right to arm yourself... but you don't have the right to bring your gun into my house. I have the right to ban guns from my house.

    Similarly, lots of public places have the right to ban guns from the premises (airports and schools and courtrooms come to mind)... and there are crazy people who every once in a while sneak a gun into those situations and go on a rampage before being stopped.

    So... even IF everyone who can have a gun does have a gun... they are likely to sometimes be in places where guns are not allowed... and so we are back to not solving the problem again because the criminal will still break the law.
     
  14. Feb 1, 2011 #234 of 256
    bobukcat

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    Stewart, I don't think even the most radical gun rights advocate would ever suggest that everyone having a gun would eliminate crime or stop all nut-jobs from doing the unthinkable.

    And you are right that places of business are within their rights to prohibit even licensed owners from carrying in those premises, gun owners also have the right to decide if they want to patronize those businesses or not.

    Though it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison I think some parallels can be drawn between those "gun free" zones (again, they're only free of the guns non-criminals might posses) and how likely a criminal might be to choose them. If you're a thief and you have your choice between houses to rob and you know one is inhabited by a gun owner and the other isn't I think it comes down to path of least resistance.
     
  15. Feb 1, 2011 #235 of 256
    cj9788

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    Twisted logic. For one thing the Miami shooter was a convicted felon. The gun he had in his possession was illegal. Lax gun control laws had nothing to do with it. To infer otherwise is just crazy loco.

    Too silly to comment on.
     
  16. Feb 1, 2011 #236 of 256
    cj9788

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    Very well put. As I mentioned earlier I have a sign on my gate that notifies all who enter, the house has a gun in it. I like to think the sign is a deterrent as we have not had any problems since we moved in. My neighbors house has been broken into twice in the last 8 years.
     
  17. Feb 1, 2011 #237 of 256
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    We have been "acknowledging" this all along. What you have just described is the main objection most "pro-gun" people have to most "gun-control" legislation, that it simply has no effect on criminal behavior.
     
  18. Feb 1, 2011 #238 of 256
    bobukcat

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    You and I have a very different idea of what the word "liberty" means if you really believe that and aren't just being sarcastic!

    The first thing any responsible gun owner learns is when NOT to shoot - which is ALWAYS unless you are absolutely sure of your target and what is behind it. When I was a child / teenager if I so much as placed my finger inside the trigger guard without it being aimed where I wanted it and having had confirmed my target I would lose access to all guns (BB guns included) for some period of time.

    Some want to use the fact that a gun owner tackled the guy instead of shooting him some kind of indictment on carrying a firearm - I view it as the opposite! Most people who are responsible enough to legally carry are responsible enough to know when it's not time to use that weapon. There are plenty of cases where people carrying have been robbed of wallets, jewelry and even cars without them attempting to retrieve their weapon because it was the safest thing to do.
     
  19. Feb 1, 2011 #239 of 256
    James Long

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    The problem with using a few good gun owners as examples (even if they didn't use their weapon) is they are not the entire population. And while in the process of converting the entire population in to gun toting people you have to ask yourself if the entire population should be carrying guns. If your answer is "sure, if they are properly trained" you have just admitted that gun control is a good thing.

    Using examples of where well trained gun owners were killed as a need for more guns in the hands of lesser trained people is where the real insanity kicks in. Well trained armed people are killed and that's a reason to hand out more guns? The officer's gun ownership didn't save their lives ... and no one has demonstrated how their lives would have been saved if anyone else had a gun.

    All looser gun laws do is put more guns on the street. Officers have to question if the person they see with a gun has it legally or not ... and by the time they get their answer it is too late. Where gun laws are tighter there is no question ... if there is a gun there is a problem. Simple.

    And in places where armed protection is needed turn to those who have passed the requirements of stiff gun laws ... who have received certification from the State Police or other high authority on the use of arms instead of someone who got their permit by breathing. The higher the standard to get such a permit, the better.
     
  20. Feb 1, 2011 #240 of 256
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    Can't paint all legal gun owners with one brush. One example of a irresponsible gun owner happened in Opa-Locka a couple of new years a go. A gun owner who had a permit thought he was being responsible at midnight. Instead of shooting into the air he emptied his clip into a sofa that was trashed on the street What he didn't know and was horrified to find out was that a child playing hide and seek was hiding behind the sofa. The child tragically died. The gun owner was arrested and charged with manslaughter with a deadly weapon. He was convicted and now faces 30 years in prison.I am all for that. Gun owners need to be held accountable in situations like this.

    I completely agree with that.
     

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