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Interesting news on Wireless Genie mini client

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by tpm1999, Jun 28, 2013.

  1. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    So what type of media are you proposing to use to interconnect the STB to the TV?

    3D, that only cost them a software change to enable it on the HR21 and H21 and later receivers that's a whole lot different then what you're proposing.
     
  2. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    Did you have a DIRECTV RVU client and replace it with a STB, I don't see a client listing in your sig.

    As I said I have a number of client and they are not as bad as you make them out IMHO. Except for scrolling speed, compared to a HR44 and holding down the page up/down button, it's very acceptable.
     
  3. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    RVU is painfully slow!


    Not at all for me. Faster than my HR21. And that was with the HR34. With my hr44 it's just plain quick. Not the exact same as my hr44 but close enough to not care at all.
     
  4. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    I understand what you are saying, I don't see why they would have to convert anything on your tv . Your HR takes care of that now, so why would it be any different?
    Is 4K or 3D cost effective? Directv does a ton of things that aren't cost effective. Its called trial and error.

    Directv wants to do things that are only cost effective to them, while maximizing profit. Not what may really be a better function and option for customers most times.


    Im lost in what you think they should do. RVU is the closet thing you can have without needing a box. Cable doesn't even have anything either. They have to transport not only the show but the GUI as well


    I personally wonder how many tvs actually decide mpeg4. Might be one reason RVU isn't throughout the entire line.
     
  5. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    A main 6-8 tuner box, Mounted in a single location. Feeding up to 8 rooms, VIA coax or HDMI with RF remotes.
    Don't need decoders in your TV's why would you , you don't need them now!
    I've been to hotels with Directv service, They don't have H25s in every room.

    Sure not everyone has HDMI ran in every room. But a lot of new houses do.
    You can't tell me its Cheaper to make several separate receiver boxes, that still require coax and HDMI cables then it is to Just run cable.

    Even the wireless c41 idea still requires a separate client, which cost money and now you have to worry about if you have an wireless issue, which you know damn well people are going to have cause houses aren't just square empty boxes.
    So the customer while thinking hes getting the next best thing, ends up getting screwed from subpar installs to poor signals at their clients. In which Directv will only bare bones minimum fix cause they know they have you by the sack for the next 2 years. I'm not just picking on Directvs, That's everyone, but still doesn't make it right.
     
  6. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    No I have a RVU tv I bought the $700 32" Samsung model. Activated RVU (" against your recommendation I might add) :righton: and used it for about 3 weeks and had Directv there twice cause of disconnects and very slow response times. I shut off my RVU service and plugged my H25 back in. If I would have spent $2000 on a tv , Then you bet you would have saw a thread in DBS talk about it. :coffee
     
  7. damondlt

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    No they still had to pay to provide 3D programming. There are a lot more cost spent then what "you" are proposing then just a minor software update. :sure:
     
  8. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    That's apples to oranges, I thought we were talking hardware boxes for costs, not programming costs?
     
  9. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    Cost is cost, its was just a Point they spend money on lots of Flops, and things that some claim are not cost effective.
     
  10. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    OK, then I agree, the Samsung implementation of the RVU client, at least on the 2012 model set I have sucks. But that's not RVU's fault, that's the implementation that Samsung did for the client so blame them. I've seen someone that has a 2011 model Samsung with RVU and has played with a 2013 model and they say that it's a much improved implementation. My guess is that the processor that Samsung put in those sets that handle RVU and SmartTV functions has the horsepower where the prior model year sets don't. If you had tried the DIRECTV clients I think you would have a different opinion then the general RVU sucks.
     
  11. damondlt

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    I'm not going to blame Samsung, the TV functions as a TV My guess anything that has to do with the Directv part of it , is from Directv research and abilities? no?

    I doubt Samsung just came up to Directv and said Hey how about we make a RVU tv for you!
     
  12. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    I tried the C31 at my sister house 2 days after she got HR34 and 3 clients. They are not that great! Many threads here to support that.
    No way Am I going to give Directv the satisfaction of a 24 month commitment from a client upgrade while it has to be used with my HR34.

    If Directv wants to say hey, here's the HR44 and a C41, Sure no problem!
     
  13. RAD

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    I know we've been over the HDMI to every room, you like it. We've been looking at some new home and guess what, not a single home had HDMI wired to every room, but they did have at least a coax to most of them.

    I've also been to hotels with DIRECTV system and most of them have just SD channels except for the locals. Even Disney World resort hotels, which own ESPN, Disney and ABC Family channels are broadcast in SD, not HD, via coax to the rooms, not HDMI. Go look around and see how much it would cost you for an ATSC RF modulator then multiple that by the 7 to 8 of them you'd need. You also said that there wouldn't need to be MPEG4 to MPEG2 conversion, I'd have to say wrong on that account. Maybe some of the newer SmartTV's can decode MPEG4 compression since some online content providers might use that, but I can prompose you some older TV's that I have can't, so that would need to be done somewhere, so back into your magical box to add some MPEG4 to MPEG2 conversion chips and more expense.

    As for wireless, right now since DIRECTV hasn't announced what this new system will be we don't know what the requirements will be to say when/where it can be used. It might be that DIRECTV will verify that the system works in a specific location but if the customer moves it, doesn't work and generates a service call there is a nonwaivable charge for the truck roll. Who knows what all the rules will be, but at least they sound like they'll be making it an option that can be used when running a new coax just can't be done.
     
  14. RAD

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    No, they got the specifications from the RVU Alliance ( http://www.rvualliance.com/the_alliance ), again, RVU is a standard and it's NOT owned by DIRECTV. And trust me, DIRECTV DID NOT write the RVU code in the Samsung TV's, Samsung did, just like Sony is writing the code that's going into their RVU clients. Now if you want to keep blaming DIRECTV for this go ahead, I'm done on this part of the thread.
     
  15. RAD

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    If you're going to compare a HR34/C31 setup against a standard STB for things like scrolling through the guide then yes it will be slower, I've said so. But a standalone H25 can't do everything that a RVU client can do and I prefer having all those functions against slower scrolling through the guide. To each their own. Now done with this part of the thread.
     
  16. damondlt

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    How is it done now? The receivers correct? So why would that be any different then what I'm proposing?

    Up to the installer. Again bare minimum at what ever gets the job done. That will be plenty of call backs.

    Why don't we maybe profect what we have now, since its far from perfect.
     
  17. damondlt

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    Directv is supporting of this correct? Directv is taking your money for this to correct? Directv didn't tell me to take it Up with Samsung.

    Right away the nice topic has to turn on the Directv Defense.
    What ever Done!
     
  18. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    The TVs are supposed to support the guidelines from RVU, it's not DirecTV that's supposed to implement it on the TV. If you bought a new TV, and the HDMI wasn't working right, would you blame DirecTV if the TV didn't support HDMI guidelines properly? RVU isn't DirecTV just like HDMI isn't.
     
  19. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    The receiver decodes the MPEG4 (or MPEG2) signal and sends out an uncompressed data stream via HDMI or is using component converts it to an analog signal to the TV. The TV doesn't care what the source of the data is just that it's a bunch of zero's and one's to tell it what pixel to turn on or off.

    As for what gets install, you say it's an absolute that DIRECTV will always the cheapest install. I've said we don't know so again done with this part of the thread.
     

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