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Interesting news on Wireless Genie mini client

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by tpm1999, Jun 28, 2013.

  1. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    Again why can't this be done at the Central Receiver? Its the same thing , just going through a longer wire.
     
  2. RAD

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    It can, but again we're stuck at how to distribute it. You say HDMI cable runs to every room, that's not a common, In fact a very rare cabling system. So what's next, cat 5/6, OK they could send out an IP stream to the TV but what's on the TV to handle the incoming data, someone has to write something, which is where we're kind of at now with RVU since even though DIRECTV wants DECA/coax as the wiring plant it still go get to Ethernet at the TV. So now you're left with coax, we're then back to using ATSC RF modulators which is the biggest cost, here's an example that does 4 channels, http://m.markertek.com/product/detail/http:%7C%7Cwww.markertek.com%7Cmobile%7CCATV-Headend-Interface%7CRF-Modulators%7CZeeVee%7CHDB2640.xhtml . So put two of those in your box and we're looking at new customers having a 30 year commitment.
     
  3. HoTat2

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    Yes, but those "head end" type systems in hotels are expensive and not very flexible to the viewer, thus DIRECTV is actually moving away from that approach with their new DRE (DirecTV Residential Experience) system that actually does use STBs in every room of either H25 receivers or lately an HR24 DVR.

    I mean you can't get something for nothing.

    By going too far in trying to "dumb down" the signal processing requirements on the TV end to the bare minimums, you will really end up driving up the cost and complexity of the home server supplying them.

    For instance take a look at these monsters for the hotel head end systems, one of which were likely supplying the hotel you visited.

    http://www.dbstalk.com/topic/201302-directv-feed-in-a-nursing-home-question/?p=3071527

    Now you're basically trying to create a miniaturized version of something like that inside a single STB box home server.

    Very expensive and complex I'd say, to put it mildly.
     
  4. damondlt

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    If price tags where put on technology we wouldn't have anything like I phones, or Whole home DVRs to date.
    So I don't see that would stop anyone from researching and trying new things to save on STBs.

    RVU atleast is a step. But Wireless clients OH boy!
     
  5. damondlt

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    OH stop no where near would it cost to put that into a receiver.
    A directv Receiver system cost $1200 in 1994 that mean they should have stopped production. No because people buy stuff they want and companies always reseach ways of making a product easier and better which always brings costs down.
     
  6. damondlt

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    I just read an article about TVs that claim !

    Most televisions built as of 2011 come standard with ATSC-NTSC-QAM tuners built right into the television.

    Read more: http://www.ehow.com/info_12171767_important-qam-tuner-tv.html#ixzz2XiobiN9h


    So I don't understand what won't work by using coax from the HR instead of HDMI. Its a simple connection. What am I missing? Switch a couple wires around in the box. LOL!
     
  7. Mike Greer

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    TVs don't do MPEG4 so the 'box' would have to transcode MPEG4 to MPEG2 and then put it out in an ATSC or QAM signal that the TVs could then use their tuners to get to the MPEG2.

    It would be cool for sure but it is much cheaper for DirecTV to use a box at each TV and that isn't likely going to change anytime soon.

    In addition to the cost there is the trouble they run into because if they output an ATSC signal it makes it much easier to 'record' to other devices. That would make DirecTV compatible with QAM/ATSC based Tivo DVRs cutting into DirecTV's profit and putting them smack in the middle of the content protection wars.
     
  8. RunnerFL

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    Not here it's not. My C41 is just as fast as my HR24 in the same room.
     
  9. RunnerFL

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    Clearly you don't understand... DirecTV signal doesn't go over ATSC, NTSC or QAM. You may want to read up on coax and tuner tech before you start posting again.
     
  10. damondlt

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    RVU tvs
     
  11. damondlt

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    You may want to just read anything I wrote. I don't know the ins and outs, But you or anyone else isn't going to tell me its not possible for what ever reason.
     
  12. damondlt

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    Thanks the best answer I've seen without the " don't blaim directv" or its not" Directvs Fault" Right away everyone goes on the defense mode to protect a TV provider!

    So again Mike Thanks for your honest answers! :righton:
     
  13. peds48

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    You may want to just read anything I wrote. I don't know the ins and outs, But you or anyone else isn't going to tell me its not possible for what ever reason.


    is not "whatever reasons" They are giving you very specific reasons
     
  14. damondlt

    damondlt New Member

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    Yes Mike and HOTAT2 Thanks
     
  15. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    A box at each set, and not changing soon? RVU is a boon! :rolling:

    DIRECTV putting out an ATSC signal would be in violation of many of their contracts, maybe even all of them. It's hardly about "cutting into profits". They won't put themselves in content protection wars as it's akin to suicide.
     
  16. Mike Greer

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    Thank you for your incredible insight.

    Someday when all TVs have RVU built in we'll talk... But that is at best years away and at worst will never happen.
     
  17. Mike Greer

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    No problem - I really wonder why there are people lurking here just waiting to pounce on people. Sadly it seems to get more and more negative all the time. Maybe it's just the heat out west making people cranky!
     
  18. RunnerFL

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    You definitely don't know the "ins and outs" or even the basics... ATSC and NTSC are terrestrial antenna signals old analog and digital. QAM is cable, like comcast. You CANNOT broadcast a DirecTV signal over either. Anyone here or anywhere else will tell you it's not possible.
     
  19. Mike Greer

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    Hmm... May I submit exhibit 'A'.

    Mr. Runner - It's not that its not possible to broadcast DirecTV over QAM or ATSC.. In fact, in the old days, the HD5000 adapter did exactly that. The truth is that it isn't going to happen but not because of technical reasons. It's not going to happen because DirecTV makes more money using separate boxs and because the precious content providers would pull their precious content from DirecTV if they did use QAM or ATSC to deliver a signal to remote TVs.
     
  20. Laxguy

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    Any time, Mike! I'd just as soon you go hit "Like" on my post..... :bang :goodjob:
     

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