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Is anyone other than me thinking the R15 was a stop gap product?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV SD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Wolffpack, Sep 10, 2006.

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  1. Sep 10, 2006 #21 of 111
    nneptune

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    Exactly. I've come to despise the R15. It's about as good as it will ever be. I'm awaiting the HR20 as well, and use the R15 as a doorstop.
    Truly, though I really don't have the money for it, I'm considering eating the cost, dropping D* altogether, and going back to E* and their MPEG4 DVR.
    I've only been with D* since Feb. and I'm NOT impressed!
     
  2. Sep 10, 2006 #22 of 111
    skaeight

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    R15 deactivated, and DSR7000 activated. Now I can at least say I've tried the R15, but honestly it's not worth my time. DTiVos work, that's the bottom line. The HR20 sounds very promising, but we'll be an all DTiVo house until it's feasible to replace them with HR20s.

    It's actually quite amazing that it sounds like HR20s are based on the 2.6 Linux Kernel (tivo and many other linux based systems are still based on 2.4 kernel.) It should be a rock solid machine once it gets past its growing pains. I also am every eager to see what the networking features will give us.
     
  3. Sep 10, 2006 #23 of 111
    bnm81002

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    wow after reading this thread, it makes me more and more to get the R10 from Directv since they are offering me the choice of either the R10 or R15, seems like the Tivo-based DVR's are the better choice for now, correct?
     
  4. Sep 10, 2006 #24 of 111
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    Is this your only dvr, or are you just looking for a machine to play with? If it's going to be your only dvr, go with the R10! I got the free R15 just so I could try it out and it just isn't nearly as reliable as my DirecTiVos. The R15 may get better, but at this point it doesn't seem likely.
     
  5. Sep 10, 2006 #25 of 111
    bnm81002

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    no I have 2 of the Philips DTivo's, so the R10 or R15 is an extra DVR that Directv is offering it free to me, from the posts of many in here pertaining to the R15, I think the R10 is a better DVR to get for free
     
  6. Sep 10, 2006 #26 of 111
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    Well, oddly enough after getting my spare DSR7000 hooked up, I found it had a dead 2nd tuner (i think). So I guess I'll be reactivating my R15 tomorrow. This DSR7000 was one of those refurbs from Weaknees, and the problem is I bought it around 10 months ago, but never hooked it up, so I doubt they'd do much for me.

    The problem with the tuner is weird. Only the odd transponders are dead, and I've swapped the cables around and found that the problem stays with tuner 2, so it definitely appears to be a bad tuner. It's too bad, I guess I should have hooked this thing up when I got it to check it out.
     
  7. Sep 11, 2006 #27 of 111
    RunnerFL

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    I'm with you on this one. They'll go to just one DVR and keep their costs down and hopefully pass that savings on to us.
     
  8. Sep 11, 2006 #28 of 111
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    I've seen a lot of failed second tuners on TCF, but they've tended to be HDVR2 (which of course are supposed to be identical, so it may not be that they're more susceptible, but that they're just more popular and older, assuming it's something that happens with time).

    My own HDVR2 has a bad second tuner (currently inactive with a few shows I still want to watch someday). My in-laws' HDVR2 also had a bad second tuner (they got it replaced with some 70-hour DTiVo, I forget the model). My failure wasn't as definite as yours--it was just pixelization on that tuner on certain channels. I could reproduce it at will on that tuner on those channels, so it wasn't the hard drive.
     
  9. Sep 11, 2006 #29 of 111
    skaeight

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    Yeah, I've seen lots of reports of dead second tuners as well. I wonder why it's always tuner 2 and not tuner 1? It's odd.

    This makes me really want to root for either the R15 to get much better, or the HR20 to get much cheaper. I thought I had a spare I could plop inplace if one of my main receivers failed, but I was wrong. So it appears that I currently have my last two DirecTiVos :( .
     
  10. Sep 11, 2006 #30 of 111
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    I asked that in another thread (about the number differance). I didn't know if was because they are two different builds or if they were planing on releasing and R20 or they just wanted to keep the models off by 5 from now on so the CSR's don't get confused.
     
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  12. Sep 11, 2006 #32 of 111
    Wolffpack

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    But would they have been able to get their hands on the amount of new R10s equal to the number of R15s they's placed in customers hands?
     
  13. Sep 11, 2006 #33 of 111
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    Do you have any numbers? I'm trying to imagine what that number would have to be to justify designing, developing, manufacturing, distributing and supporting a new product just for a year or so.

    Even counting the fact that they apparently saved A LOT of money by cutting corners on design, development, and testing :p , it seems like they would not make that kind of investment.
     
  14. Sep 11, 2006 #34 of 111
    Wolffpack

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    I don't think there was any justification to the decision other than "we have to dump Tivo". At the point the decision was made to develop the R15, DTV and Tivo didn't have their contract extension. In fact it could be due to the R15's problems that DTV entered into the extension.

    I'd guess management was told they could start with the XTV unit and it would be a "slam dunk" getting the R15 up and running. The design/development team probably even got a promotion for the amount of $$$ they were going to save with the R15 over selling more R10s. Another example of faulty intelligence. :D
     
  15. Sep 11, 2006 #35 of 111
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    Besides the SL problem, I have grown to LOVE the R15! It surpasses the DISH522 I had (similar 2 tuner 100 hour DVR unit)...

    And with FINALLY finding the best remote.. I am loving it now.

    (Universal Remote R7).... best out there.. I went through at least 6 remotes last week before finding this one.
     
  16. Sep 12, 2006 #36 of 111
    cybok0

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    sure glad I never went to dish, they must have some pretty crappy equipment.:grin:
     
  17. Sep 12, 2006 #37 of 111
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    I have to believe there are lots of silent customers, like me, who really like the R15.

    I have never had a Tivo, but I dislike the way the product seems to patronize the less-technical user...such terms as "Wishlist" and "Season Pass," even the cutesy name "Tivo" rub me the wrong way. Makes it sound more like a new-generation Gigapet than a serious piece of equipment.

    But as I say, I've never had a Tivo, and only feel the need to post this because of the dozens of much-more-extreme R15 bashing messages. We all have our opinions!
     
  18. Sep 12, 2006 #38 of 111
    ApK

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    TiVo IS a serious piece of gear despite it's cutseyness. The fact that it IS used and loved by the non-techies goes to show that by and large it is NOT patronizing ...it is apparently speaking to it's audience in language they can understand. If anything, I'd think the geekiest users (which I consider myself to
    be) would feel the most patronized, but it's excellence in function outweighs that for me.

    Earlier on in the R15's life, you didn't need to have used a Tivo to be bothered by it's more egregious failings.
    Now, the R-15 is, IMO, quite a usuable unit with just a handfull of annoyances that will hopfully be fixed soon(we won't go into the fact that they SHOULD have been fixed already).
    Even my wife, who has been the more vocal of us in the house on prefering our Tivo, has now said she's gotten used to the R-15, and I should not make any special effort to try to replace it with an R-10.

    We TiVo folk simply have the burden of knowing how good a DVR can be, and so even little failings or minor stupid design decisions on the R-15 are thrown into sharp relief.
     
  19. Sep 12, 2006 #39 of 111
    profbobo

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    I think it works both ways. :)

    I think there are lots of people that really, really hate it and never sign up to post on a message board.

    I was at a family reunion in Michigan a few weeks ago and my cousin from NC mentioned how much she hated her new DirecTV TiVo. She said it wasn't TiVo. It always locks up, won't record, WishLists suck, loss of buffer after a recorded show, etc. She isn't a techie. Her DirecTV TiVo hard drive died and DirecTV sent her a R15 to replace it. She absolutely hated it. I told her to call DirecTV retention and beg for a R10 before the NHL season starts.

    I don't know if it's still the same, but the R15 was a useless POS when it came to Sports Subscriptions and WishLists. I stopped using the R15 in April.

    Like you said, there are probably a lot of people that love it and never say a word. But I gotta believe there are at least an equal amount of those that hate it too.
     
  20. Sep 12, 2006 #40 of 111
    Bobman

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    I would disagree. People usually find these forum when they have problems.
     
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