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Is TNT hd really HD?

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by Calvin386, Aug 6, 2007.

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  1. grooves12

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    I have no problem with a channel upconverting and stretching 16x9 content to fill the screen if they were to do that.

    I have a MAJOR problem with them stretching 4:3 stuff.

    I would just prefer if they didn't have any HD content to air, that it was left alone in the original aspect ratio.
     
  2. lpmiller

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    I just want the proper aspect ratio. If all they have to show is a pan and scan version, don't stretch it. I can do that myself if I want to.
     
  3. projectorguru

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    Nice try.:nono:

    yeah maybe its cuz I only watch TNTHD every day, maybe I have no clue that the picture looks great, you can't tell me I know nothing when you don't know me or what I watch or what LCD's/projectors I have, I have also been in the buisness for over 12 years now(Data,telecom),so unless you know and are sittin in front of my tv, don't tell me........:nono:

    Looks fine
     
  4. Taco Lover

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    So, you're saying you've never seen TNTHD stretch a 4:3 movie or show to 16:9? :confused:

    It looks horrible! :nono2:
     
  5. ebaltz

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    Get your eyes checked. Everyone else in the world thinks it looks like crap and is unwatchable. Has NOTHING to do with the TV. They take 4x3 movies and shows and squeeze them out from the middle to fill a 16x9 screen, which is a cheap technique to fool people who don't know any better that they are watching something in HD.
     
  6. dennispap

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    Agreed. Nowdays the only thing my wife watches on tnthd is charmed, Half the time when i come in the room and see it, the audio is out of sync with the video!!:nono:
     
  7. Lincoln6Echo

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    Yeah, the only thing I watch on TNT HD is NASCAR, which looked great, IMO.
     
  8. tsmacro

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    Memories of the first time I saw a widescreen HD large screen tv in someone's home. A few years back when I worked for an insurance company I was calling on a customer and he had just had this new fancy house built and was giving me the tour and was showing off, well when we got to the living room there was this big ol' tv. He started bragging about it being widescreen and HD, yada, yada. Well I looked at it and I could tell there was "something wrong" with the picture because he had it on the news and I was familiar with the anchors and what they should look like and of course they looked wider and rounder than what they should (of course now we know this as stretch-o-vision). I pointed this out and of course he proceeded to tell me that oh yeah because it was wide-screen that he had it set up to fill the whole screen, which allowed him to see more of the picture on either side than a "normal" tv, saying that "normal tv's" actually cut off the picture on both sides. Also he went on that the picture on his tv was actually depicting what things actually look like in reality, it was because I used to "cheap small tv's" that I thought it looked funny according to him. :lol: Well I wasn't going to argue, after all it was the first time i'd seen such an animal, so what did I know, but I still thought that the picture didn't look right. It probably ruined the very idea of HD tv for me for a while after that too, because all I could think is why would I want to pay so much for something that was going to make things look odd to me. But whenever I see a program on TNT HD (besides live sporting events) the picture always brings back the memory of that visit all those years ago!
     
  9. projectorguru

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    i understand what your sayin, but I can compress and upconvert any signal, and make it look good, besides when your watchin a 100" diagonal screen TNTHD looks amazing, not ALL shows, but most
     
  10. HDTVFanAtic

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    In all due respect, you are clueless and showing it to all here. TNT has even done interviews "bragging" about their stretched content and claim their way of doing it is a trade secret :rolleyes:

    Furthermore, nothing in HD-LITE looks amazing on a 100" screen - even worse when its a stretched upconvert.
     
  11. devecho

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    The issue here seems to be that TNT-HD is stretching/squeezing programs that aren't originally in a 16:9 format. Shows like Heartland in HD look great. But when The X-files gets shown (especially early episodes) afterwards, the stretching/squeezing/upconversion becomes very obvious. Even movies that are supposed to be in a wider format (2.35), get the squeeze put on them.

    I think part of the problem here is that most consumers have equated HD with widescreen. If the picture doesn't fill the screen, they feel that they are somehow being ripped off. So no matter what, the screen has to be completely filled, no matter the program content or format or source. So now, instead of people complaining about black bars above/below the picture (letterboxing), they now complain about bars on the left/right.
     
  12. richiephx

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    I'm curious, what kind of projector are you using; what satellite or cable source box are you using; and, how do you connect your satellite/cable box to your projector?
     
  13. HDTVFanAtic

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    http://www.tvweek.com/news/2007/01/tnt_stretches_for_hd.php

    "Clyde D. Smith, TNT's senior VP of broadcast engineering, research and development, quality assurance and metrics, said........

    "It's not the same as a high-def original, but it's an enhanced viewing experience over 4:3."

    "Most viewers don't realize that in addition to stretching the SD image......"

    Including one projectorguru/expert on dbstalk that doesn't know the difference in HD and SD.

    He's probably using the S-Video connector:rolleyes:
     
  14. Taco Lover

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    I think this exchange is a little mixed up. Some of us are talking about how 4:3 content is stretched to fit a 16:9 screen by TNT. It has nothing to do with PQ. If someone wants to stretch the 4:3 stuff, they should be able to on their own TV set, not have TNT make the decision for you.
     
  15. ebaltz

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    Too funny! If TNT thinks that "most" viewers don't notice, then what are they saying about "most" of their viewers?

    I have seen quite a few people with HD sets and no HD input, so they watch everything in widescreen stretched and they don't even realize what they are doing or watching. They think that someone when they click that stretch button on their remote the tv station automatically adjusts the broadcast signal to "HD" for them. Its hilarious. And even more hilarious when you point out to them that they haven't been watching HD on their HD tv for the past 4 years. Oh I get a good laugh out of that one every time. They go through the stage of grief. Denial, anger etc...

    Its getting better though, more people are getting a clue, but still tons not and with so many more people buying HD sets now, it stands to reason that a lot of people in the next few years won't be "getting it".

    And even if they get a HD set and HD receiver, then they use a composite video connection or s-video (because they were told that was the best). They just ignore the other inputs because they don't know what they are. So they pay all this extra money for equipment all to just have a crappy stretched picture which actually now looks worse than what they had on their old set. Its pretty funny, but sad too.
     
  16. Taco Lover

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    A little OT, but this is a big reason why Costco changed their return policy. Too many people were returning their TVs because it didn't look the way it should. Too many people not having a clue that only an HD signal produces an HD picture. Stretching an image to fill the screen does not make apicture HD.

    Before they changed their policy and posted signs stating "You need an HD signal!" I could usually count 5 HDTVs being returned in the amount of time it takes to eat a hot dog and drink a soda in the food court. :lol:
     
  17. ebaltz

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    Too funny!
     
  18. keith_benedict

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    Gladiator was stretched. The original aspect ratio for Gladiator was 2.35:1, which means on a 16:9 screen it would still be letterboxed on top and bottom. It didn't look too bad, but just imagine how much better it would have been if it were shown in its original aspect ratio.
     
  19. HDTVFanAtic

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    This thread is witness to that fact.
     
  20. cdub998

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    At least they don't stretch things. A&E doesn't even have anything in HD on their channel though :lol:
     
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