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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Spoonie, Oct 30, 2007.

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  1. Oct 30, 2007 #81 of 109
    Spoonie

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    Yeah but I got to figure out how to leverage a free one out of them.:) more than likely it'll be the 10-250 that will go.

    I'll miss the DLBs, but with all the new HD channels I have no choice.
     
  2. Oct 30, 2007 #82 of 109
    Spoonie

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    That's cool, an extra button push never killed anyone.:)
    Tell me about it!. I'm using a logitech 550 remote so it hasn't really happened since I started using it. The standard D* remote has channel buttons that stick out which causes accidental pushes:( . That's another thing I miss about my ultimate TV. Even if you did attempt to change channels while buffered, it would ask you to go live first.
     
  3. Oct 30, 2007 #83 of 109
    Spoonie

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    Thanks, I'm staying put.
     
  4. Oct 31, 2007 #84 of 109
    nhey

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    With a Tivo, if you want to watch 2 programs at the same time with DLB's maintained so that you can rewind either one, all you need is ONE button click. Just tune to both channels on the separate tuners, then all you need to do is hit the Previous button to move to the other tuner. Much quicker, easier, then the record option discussed above.
     
  5. Oct 31, 2007 #85 of 109
    MIMOTech

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    I opted out of FIOS TV due to the fact that they changed the interface on the DVR and made it so hard to read or use, I just could not stand it before. Also you will not see much difference in pixellation in fast moving objects as compaired with D*. Also you are changing sides when the side with the most HD is just getting going. I have also been with D* for 12 years and was ready to switch also until the SW change at FIOS TV DVR. D* DVR SW much better.
     
  6. Oct 31, 2007 #86 of 109
    VARTV

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    Virginia...
    I thought this would be a big deal to me... it hasn't...
     
  7. Oct 31, 2007 #87 of 109
    msmith198025

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    Not sure how much they will bend NOW, but i did get my HR-20 and H-20 for free not too long ago. It can be done. Yes thats the one i would replace too

    Id just tell them that you want to upgrade but dont want to have that much money in it. Being polite but firm has worked wonders for me with D*
     
  8. Oct 31, 2007 #88 of 109
    msmith198025

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    with a HR-20 you may have to push a few extra buttons but you get WAYYYY more hd channels. I can handle a few button pushes
     
  9. Oct 31, 2007 #89 of 109
    gregjones

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    I had a Tivo unit and loved it. I loved DLB. It was exceptionally easy. It was also exceptionally easy to mess it up. More than once, the 30 minute buffer was insufficient. If you ran over, the behavior was erratic and irritating. In short, the functionality is only as good as its predictability.

    The "workaround" is a much better solution because it behaves much more predictably. I would love to have a one button solution to switch to the other active tuner. But it is much more important that it function correctly.

    Sports programming (two games) was always the primary use of DLB for me. DirecTV has added a great deal of HD in the last month or two. I will gladly press a few more buttons to watch content. The argument of its simplicity falls flat for me on channels that aren't offered on FIOS.

    What we have is a blind love of DLB. I have started referring to it as the cult of the DLB. Don't get me wrong: it's a nice feature. But it's only one feature and the same *result* is still possible.

    All in all, I believe the HR20-700 to be the best option out there. There are some shortcomings that I feel need to be addressed that have no workaround. I will be spending my effort on eSATA being additional space (instead of replacement space) because that's actually additional functionality.
     
  10. Oct 31, 2007 #90 of 109
    dms1

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    The Motorola DCT/QIP 64xx hardware is perfectly capable of supporting dual live buffers, just as the R15 and HR20 are, since it is no different to recording two programs at once. The I-Guide software used by Comcast currently supports DLBs. However, neither Microsoft Foundation TV 1.7 (the original FiOS guide) or Verizon's own new guide does.
     
  11. Oct 31, 2007 #91 of 109
    marksman

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    Of course you could have just recorded the drag race on one channel and dexter on the other and flipped back and forth exactly the same way.

    This is my disconnect. You can mimic this behavior easily without buffers. You can't record ANYTHING if you are using two buffers anyways, so you might as well record them. The bonus on top of that is if you have to walk away for 35 minutes you have BOTH programs saved so you can watch them at your leisure. Unlike a buffer situation (I know the single buffer is longer but assume 30 minutes for this example), you walk away, and come back and your have lost some of both programs.

    You can do exactly what you want, right now. The only difference might be one or two extra key presses when you flip channels, at worst.

    I think people complaining about no DLB do a dis-service, because it is very confusing to people, and people who don't know better somehow get the impression you can't watch two live shows at once, which is NOT True.

    This is for everyone out there...

    You can watch TWO LIVE SHOWS ON AN HR20 at the same time. People who want DLB simply are afraid to hit the Record button two times in the guide.

    I understand for someone who wants to flip around channels, but if you are flipping around on TWO different sets of channels at the same time.. I can say that is not anywhere close to normal usage. So let us say you have the NFL Sunday Ticket. You might be flipping between games. I get it. But on the other channel tuner you could still be recording another show that you could watch.

    Like I said, the only real loss for the current functionality is the inability to flip between two different sets of tv channels at the same time. If you want to watch two programs on two channels at once, that are live, it is easy to do now.
     
  12. Oct 31, 2007 #92 of 109
    marksman

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    As I mentioned, it is maybe an extra stroke. Recoreded programs are at the top of the list. You hit List and then select either the first or second program and view it.

    Maybe 2 more keystrokes when you go back and forth... With the insurance you will never lose your buffer.
     
  13. Oct 31, 2007 #93 of 109
    tiger2005

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    :lol::lol::sure::sure::eek2::eek2::nono::nono:
     
  14. Oct 31, 2007 #94 of 109
    tiger2005

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    For those that are advocating that the recording of two shows on the HR-20 is better than TiVo's DLB feature, you may want to check out this thread.

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=62118

    In no way is recording shows on both tuners a better feature than DLB. The TiVo could also record two shows, with the ability to move between the recordings easily with a minimal amount of effort, but you don't see people advocating that feature over DLB on the TiVo receivers. There's a reason for that. :grin:
     
  15. Oct 31, 2007 #95 of 109
    gregjones

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    DLB is a great feature. It's not perfect, though. The long and short of it is this. I would rather mimic the behavior with two recordings than not have the channels to watch.
     
  16. Oct 31, 2007 #96 of 109
    tiger2005

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    Why should you have to choose between those options? Why can't we have both? :D;)
     
  17. Oct 31, 2007 #97 of 109
    dchamero

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    The main difference between recording 2 shows and flipping through them and DLB is that with DLB you have the option all the time without planning it in advance, and with the recording method you have to plan in advance (is not spontaneous)

    For instance, let's say that you always watch the same 2 channels, and you generally leave the receiver tuned to those 2 channels, you can get home, turn on the TV and immediately have access to both channels (and both buffers) to go back and forth without premeditation
     
  18. Oct 31, 2007 #98 of 109
    msmith198025

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    only as far as the buffers go(maybe 30 or so minutes)
    If you only watch those two channels and its that simple how hard would it be to set the to start recording at a certain time of day every day?
     
  19. Oct 31, 2007 #99 of 109
    jester7677

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    I don't get the statement about the DLB... I can record 2 HD shows at the same time so I must be missing something. I think I can even play back a show and record two while I'm at it.
     
  20. mchaney

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    That is, if you leave your DVR on all the time.

    Mike
     
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