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Lakers New Regional TV Network - NOW ON THE AIR

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kb24sd, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. Jul 31, 2012 #21 of 2097
    debrhb

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    Thank you all...I will try the provided link...might soon be a dish subscriber so I will keep myself registered here!
     
  2. Jul 31, 2012 #22 of 2097
    maartena

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    Before you make the jump.... Dish has dropped all the RSN's in the New York area, and given the fact that DirecTV has a large, firm customer base in Los Angeles (and OC), there is a lot more chance that DirecTV will carry this network where Dish Network might not.

    I would wait till announcements are made in October. If you can't wait that long and are going to take a chance: I'd wanna bet DirecTV has a higher chance of carrying the TWC Sportsnet Channels than Dish Network.
     
  3. Jul 31, 2012 #23 of 2097
    shyvoodoo

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    bye bye....

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  4. Jul 31, 2012 #24 of 2097
    kb24sd

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    I really can't see how Directv fails to get a deal done to carry these new regional sports network channels. Directv prides themselves on being the undisputed sports leader.
     
  5. Jul 31, 2012 #25 of 2097
    RAD

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    That may be, but recently they've said they will hold the line on programming costs, and IMHO if they can't reach a deal that they think is reasonable they'll take a pass.
     
  6. Jul 31, 2012 #26 of 2097
    inkahauts

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    While I'm not to sure if they will come to agreement before the start of the preseason, doubt it will be Christmas before these to come to an agreement. They both need each other.
     
  7. Jul 31, 2012 #27 of 2097
    maartena

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    I don't think they can risk it with the Lakers, they are by far the most popular franchise in half of California. Plus, Hawaii and Nevada are part of their DMA.

    Also, TWC paid a lot for the Lakers rights, so they pretty much NEED DirecTV, even if it is at a lower cost than they initially wanted. For 2 reasons actually: Direct income from DirecTV, and the ability to sell advertising with millions of viewers as potential customers.

    As usually however, we will probably not hear or see anything until maybe a week before the season starts, whether it is good or bad news.
     
  8. Jul 31, 2012 #28 of 2097
    RAD

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    So if TWC makes a reasonable offer to DIRECTV then yes they'd probably make a deal. But remember Dish doesn't offer any of the NYC RSN's so DIRECTV may decide to take the same path in the second largest TV market.
     
  9. Jul 31, 2012 #29 of 2097
    maartena

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    I don't think they will. DirecTV is headquartered here, and has a HUGE customer base here. They offered locals here pretty much from the beginning (just like New York).

    On top of that, the Lakers DMA is huge. It contains everything south of Fresno in California, including all of San Diego, it contains the entire state of Hawaii, it includes Las Vegas and major areas of Nevada, and it even contains portions of Arizona. With 18 million in the Los Angeles Greater Area alone, the entire DMA easily encompasses 30 million people.

    If Los Angeles had an AVERAGE amount of DirecTV customers, using 300 million Americans, they would have had 2 million out of the 20 million DirecTV customers.

    However, due to favorable weather, a HUGE mess in the Adelphia failure in 2006/2007, and the fact that DirecTV is headquartered here and heavily advertises here, I think that number is probably at least 3 million, maybe even 4 million customers within the Lakers DMA.

    In my Neighborhood, I have seen 1 Dish Network dish, and dozens of DirecTV dishes. And it is that way most neighborhoods I drive through, DirecTV seems immensely more popular than Dish Network.

    Where Dish has decided not to focus on sports, sports is what people come to DirecTV for.

    The Lakers are probably one of the most important teams to have for DirecTV, together with teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Celtics.

    Personally, I won't cry if they don't carry them. The only time I watch basketball, is with the Olympics... and even then I am more interested in other sports. So I will continue to be with DirecTV if they don't carry this network. But there is a HUGE amount of Lakers fans who will take no time to switch to TWC (which also covers 90% of the Lakers DMA, Cox covering the other 10% in south OC, and Las Vegas) who automatically already carry the networks in HD.

    This is pretty much a "must have" for DirecTV. But yeah, it has to make financial sense. But since DirecTV is also a "must have" for TWC, I am sure they will make a deal.
     
  10. Jul 31, 2012 #30 of 2097
    kb24sd

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    I forget how much and maybe someone can find how much Fox Sports was charging TV providers per household each month.

    The last reports I saw was that under the Lakers old TV network deal with Fox Sports West & KCAL 9 they were getting $30 million a year in revenue each year.

    Another encouraging sign is that Directv this year came to an agreement with Fox Sports San Diego to carry the Padres games while Time Warner Cable & AT&T U-Verse still refuse to pay and aren't carrying the channel right now.Cox is the only other TV provider in San Diego carrying it.By comparison the Padres who are currently dreadful and are about to be sold led by former Dodgers owners the O'Maley family & Phil Mickelson and they honestly have a lot smaller TV fan base compared to the Lakers.

    Keep in mind that TWC paid anywhere from 3 billion over 20 years and up to 5 billion if they extend this new TV contract 5 more years.

    So yeah I think TWC is going to ask for at least $3 a month per house hold for their competitors like Directv to carry this channel.Directv probably is going to play hardball and try and keep it to the $2.50 a month range per household.
     
  11. Jul 31, 2012 #31 of 2097
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    I agree with maartena here, besides its waaaay too early to worry about this right now I mean we still 3 months out. For those who are thinking about leaving the D because of this, at least do some research on who you gonna leave them for... Like someone else said, Dish doesn't even carry the New York RSNs and they focus is not on sports in general, so they would be the LAST people i would look at.. If I was a betting man, my money will ALWAYS be on the D*..

    beIN sports said they will have at least ONE provider at launch and I'm praying HARD it's D* right now..

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  12. Aug 1, 2012 #32 of 2097
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    I feel bad for the people who cant afford cable or satellite as they wont have their laker road games for free over the air any more. I also think time warner will ask for a LOT of money from providers like ESPN does. anyway i think these new channels will be huge especially also having the spanish language version,BTW is the spanish version also in HD?
     
  13. Aug 1, 2012 #33 of 2097
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    As far as I know they are both HD. That doesn't mean they will be carried in HD, but it wouldn't even make sense to launch a SD-only station right now.
     
  14. Aug 1, 2012 #34 of 2097
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    I don't think it makes much sense to launch a Spanish-only channel, either, but there it is. Not with the technology that could share the feed. Dual audio, bilingual graphics.
     
  15. Aug 1, 2012 #35 of 2097
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    I think that is more about the pre, post, and halftime shows, along with interviewing the Spanish speaking players perhaps. During the game there isn't a lot of need to see anything but the game itself with perhaps a few audio feeds.

    TWC Deportes is also going to carry MLS Soccer, something that carries a lot of weight in Socal, and they too will have their own pre, post, and half time shows with their own studio and crew.

    That was never about the games, all about the shows around the game.
     
  16. Aug 1, 2012 #36 of 2097
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    Blah. It is still a waste. For a few minutes of programming, let's put up an entire channel. I can see it for some national channels like an ESPN Deportes and for channels that have their own real programming like Univision (although those morons should have an English track to get more people watching) but the rest does not justify it to me. I have seen what multilingual countries do. They subtitle. They translate. We waste.

    Oh, and I do NOT want to see TWC Deportes on CONUS. As much a waste of bandwidth as HBOL.
     
  17. Aug 1, 2012 #37 of 2097
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    I just don't think you understand the Spanish market in the Lakers DMA. The Spanish channel could get as good or better ratings than the English one. Remember it includes san diego all the way to Fresno. The advertising will all be different. It's a different world in California than the rest of the country for many things. Half of all our retail stores have multiple languages for tags and signs. Spanish radio stations outperform English ones regularly. There is no majority here. And you have to understand, if you can get better targeted advertising for different segments of the market then it will be successful. That's not something they can do with subtitles at all.
     
  18. Aug 1, 2012 #38 of 2097
    maartena

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    Might be a waste to you. Or me for that matter, I don't speak a word of Spanish.

    Might not be a waste to the over 50 million Latino's this country has as of the 2010 Census. And those people aren't any less important than you or me. And seeing the Lakers DMA is about 30 million people, with about HALF of those people being Latino, I'd say it is rather relevant. Especially when you start to included targeted advertising in Spanish, during the games.

    As for CONUS/Spotbeam.... The Lakers DMA extends to at least three spot beams (Hawaii, Socal, Nevada are all in the DMA), so I think it would be a waste of Spotbeam bandwidth if you need to use three spotbeams just to get the Spanish version to the entire Lakers DMA, while you can do with just 1 CONUS slot.
     
  19. Aug 1, 2012 #39 of 2097
    maartena

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    Hey, he's from Maryland. Give him a break. :D
     
  20. Aug 1, 2012 #40 of 2097
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    I would imagine that they think it will improve ticket sales, but we're talking about those who can't afford free TV. The Lakers can ill afford to write anyone off at this point.
     

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