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Lakers New Regional TV Network - NOW ON THE AIR

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by kb24sd, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. Aug 29, 2012 #141 of 2097
    Devo1237

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    I'm sure it does. Just as I'm sure that money means a lot to the customers who are being gouged.

    For the last several years, the LA area has received the following from FSW and Prime Ticket.

    LA Lakers
    LA Clippers
    LA Dodgers
    LA Angels
    LA Kinks
    Anaheim Ducks
    CD Chivas
    LA Galaxy
    LA Sparks
    USC Football & Basketball
    UCLA Football & Basketball
    PAC-10/12 Sports
    Local High School Sports
    Plus assorted UEFA Soccer matches and other sports

    How much were we paying for all of that? I would be surprised if it was any more than $1.50 per channel. Now the Lakers, Sparks, and Galaxy want even more just for themselves. Soon, Fox Sports will want more for all their stuff based on what TWC got, and then the whole thing falls in on itself.
     
  2. Aug 29, 2012 #142 of 2097
    maartena

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    They may pay themselves just to keep the bookkeeping in order. I work for a very very large company, and money is being "paid" from one component to another all the time, which really is nothing more than subtracting money from one budget, and adding it somewhere else. That is nothing more than good accounting, so you know where the money is going. Standard legal practice also requires this kind of stuff being on paper, just in case a company component wants to break off in to its own company.

    But there is no actual money being moved between accounts. The bottom line for TWC Holding will not change.

    TV carriage deals are strictly regulated, but the PRICE is not. If the price was strictly regulated we wouldn't have this many carriage deal disputes where they demand 300% increases and whatnot.

    Price can vary between providers, completely depending on how well they negotiate. I expect a TOUGH negotiation for these channels, and I even expect that one or two games might not be broadcast before a deal is reached.
     
  3. Aug 29, 2012 #143 of 2097
    tonyd79

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    The overall price is not regulated but go read the CSN Philly thread. You cannot give a great price to one company and gouge another. It is not enforced by push means; the company that is being gouged has to file an appeal.

    As for money being real...it is real. Just because it is not paper and coins handed from one person to another does not make it real. Legally it is real. It is not just good accounting process; there are legal ramifications in tracking that money. And, as far as the departments within the company, it is a real as it gets. We just had a guy fired from his budgetary responsiblity because he cost one part of the company money at expense of another. Maybe he should explain that the money isn't real until it is outside the company.
     
  4. Aug 29, 2012 #144 of 2097
    maartena

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    Here is the big thing:

    Under the previous deal with Fox Sports, Fox Sports paid the Lakers about $30 Million a year for TV rights.

    Time Warner is paying $150 Million a year for the same rights, or a 500% increase.

    It is not whether the Lakers are WORTH that money, but it is what has been PAID. And that means that TWC has to ask for a higher price to recoup that money.

    THAT is the big problem. Because we all know that TWC is trying to get that money back from cable and dbs providers. Who in turn need to charge us, their customers.

    Another aspect is the Dodgers. Their rights come up after the 2013 season, and TWC is expected to big BIG for those rights. Since a contract is usually signed for 5+ years in these kinds of carriage deals, they are going to want to deal AS IF they already have those rights, so that when they do they have some income coming at them to recoup those rights.

    So this deal.... could get REAL ugly. This deal WILL be done.... but it won't be anytime soon.
     
  5. Aug 29, 2012 #145 of 2097
    tonyd79

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    For now forget the Dodgers. No one is going to sign a contract based upon what might be.

    And yet Fox Sports had to pay out that long list of teams. All TWC is paying so far is the Lakers and Galaxy (?).

    Seems like 5x is more than covered.

    And as for DirecTV and the rest, it is STILL what the channel and the Lakers are worth, not what TWC paid the Lakers. If it is not worth the money to DirecTV, Comcast, Fios, Dish, etc., then TWC is stuck holding the bag. Their decisions are not those of the other providers.
     
  6. Aug 29, 2012 #146 of 2097
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    Crap like this is why a la carte needs to happen now. This cycle continues to escalate where sports networks pay ridiculous sums of money to sports teams and expect to recoup it from every pay tv subscriber, whether they watch sports or not. If all sports channels became a la carte, this scheme would fail instantly and until then, it's only going to get worse.

    I know people say that a la carte would be more expensive in the long run and while I don't believe it, even if it was true at least my money would be supporting channels I like and not channels I don't.
     
  7. Aug 29, 2012 #147 of 2097
    maartena

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    And crap like this is exactly why it won't.

    Ferengi 10th Rule of Acquisition: "Greed is Eternal".
     
  8. Aug 30, 2012 #148 of 2097
    kb24sd

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    Link:

    http://www.ocregister.com/sports/lakers-369863-cable-games.html
     
  9. Aug 30, 2012 #149 of 2097
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    Duh, of course we're concerned, fans are not going to be able to watch your games if deals aren't done. And no we don't like the new broadcast partner, they're going to want sole control, they're going to want you to switch to their cable company.

    If the Lakers really cared about their fans they would have stayed FSN, an already established RSN thats already available on all of those providers mentioned, so there wouldn't be any need for concern. Shades228 hit the nail on the head in his earlier post, the Lakers don't care if you watch their games or not, they've already been paid. Its all about the money.

    I really hope this doesn't turn into another CSNNW situation.

    YES (like NESN) works because its owned by the team that broadcasts on it. They need the providers more because theres no cable company involved that owns it.
     
  10. Aug 30, 2012 #150 of 2097
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    really years ago the Chicago teams dumped FSN and started CSN to get more control and there area covered alot of non comcast areas and CSN showed on ALL area systems even ones that where side by side with comcast. Also the teams own 80% of the network.
     
  11. Aug 30, 2012 #151 of 2097
    harsh

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    I'm betting that TV carriage is not regulated in any meaningful way. If it were, I'd think that Comcast Sports Philly and Root Sports NW would be on DIRECTV.
     
  12. Aug 30, 2012 #152 of 2097
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    Root Sports NW is on DIRECTV... stick to Dish topics.
     
  13. Aug 30, 2012 #153 of 2097
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    Firmly established that the onus in the regulation is on the injured party. Directv needs to file an appeal but they have not in the CSN Philly case for whatever reason. That is the same standard as copyright law which is also considered regulated in a meaningful way.
     
  14. Aug 30, 2012 #154 of 2097
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    I'm willing to bet the price Comcast is asking for - since price is not regulated - isn't anywhere CLOSE to what DirecTV is willing to pay, so why bother to go through the paces.

    Hell, Comcast could be paying ITSELF $10 per subscriber. It doesn't matter to their bottom line, now does it. :D
     
  15. Aug 30, 2012 #155 of 2097
    maartena

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    I would be surprised if it wasn't since anything Root Sports is owned by DirecTV. :D
     
  16. Aug 30, 2012 #156 of 2097
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    Exactly, that's because the teams own 80% of the channel and demanded that the channel be available to all providers.
     
  17. Aug 30, 2012 #157 of 2097
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    Except that CSN Philly is on lots of cable systems all over eastern Pa and new jersey. As well as fios. Price is established.
     
  18. Aug 30, 2012 #158 of 2097
    tonyd79

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    No assurance though. Directv does not have a history of showing all its own stuff. At least not in HD. See GSN...
     
  19. Aug 30, 2012 #159 of 2097
    inkahauts

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    Yeah for local areas. DIRECTV is national, and they may be asking for something different because of that, and there is no precedent of pricing for that Chanel on a nationwide basis. It's all about price just like every other channel.
     
  20. Aug 30, 2012 #160 of 2097
    tonyd79

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    Of course there is. Every stinking rsn, including CSN ones. They can ask a higher rate overall saying Philly is worth more but relative pricing is still in place.
     

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