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Lance Armstrong banned for life,stripped of 7 Tour wins.

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by yosoyellobo, Aug 24, 2012.

  1. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

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    I agree. It sounds like he strongly believed Lance was deeply involved in an extensive doping program and wanted to pursue Lance to get enough proof to convincingly nail him.
     
  2. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    I personally know of 2 hospitals that received funds from his charity, and gratefully so. Many people were helped by those contributions.

    You could not be more wrong about those moneys failing to do good, or doing so "by accident".

    That's not meant to (in any way) condone his bad decisions and actions...rather...it's to take a more realistic perspective in contrast to a cynical view.
     
  3. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

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    I never said that. You misinterpreted what I said.
     
  4. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    That post speaks for itself...nothing to misinterpret.
     
  5. Lord Vader

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    Sorry, but it's clear that you misinterpreted my post. Any good that he did made little difference; he's guilty. If a murderer saves 100 children, does that lessen his crimes of killing 10? All of Lance's charity work is irrelevant; it has no impact upon his cheating.
     
  6. Hoosier205

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    Then why didn't you say that? Instead, you claimed that the charity had been ineffective and poorly managed.
     
  7. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member

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    It was. You simply misconstrued my post to mean his "good" actions didn't affect the charity. I meant that his good actions have had no effect on his cheating, his lying, his entire reputation. Perhaps the original post was a wee bit ambiguous. ;)
     
  8. hdtvfan0001

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    Your original post, as well as this one...is easy to understand. You basically are saying in this 2nd post that no matter what he did that could be construed as a positive thing, it doesn't matter to you because of his actions toward doping. That's different than your statement in the 1st post, but appreicate the clarity to your view.

    All that said - respectfully disagree.

    There may not be any positive value in terms of how people perceive him overall in the context of his negative actions...but there is plenty of positive and lasting impact of how the recipients gained from the positive charity activities he performed.

    Looking at the big picture - the glass is not half empty here, nor half full...it's completely full - part negative and part positive.

    Just ask the cancer patients and others who have better lives because the funds were there to treat them, regardless of what happens to Lance at this point. At one hospital alone, there were literally hundreds of beneficiaries.

    Unfortunately he made some very foolish choices that now pretty much prevent him from continuing the positive activities.
     
  9. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I get where Vader is coming from, though...

    Say there is a serial killer (to go to an extreme)... but he is also a philanthropist... so he kills by night BUT by day he contributes to a charity that does good work.

    The charity doesn't mitigate his serial killing does it? He isn't a "good" guy because he also helps, right?

    And the charity... even if no fault of their own... kind of gets associated with the serial killer and it taints them a bit.

    That's all I think Vader is saying.

    Lance isn't helped by his charity work, because the bad he has done personally outweighs any good he has done... From the charity's perspective, even if they were good and didn't know about Lance, they still carry a bit of that negative with them going forward because of being associated... whether fair or not.
     
  10. Lord Vader

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    You are correct. A good reiteration of what I was trying to get across.
     
  11. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Your summation certainly is concise - no disagreement to it.

    My issue with a previous post was the clear inference that the good stuff had no value just because it was initiated by Lance. Thanks for your rendition.
     
  12. Lord Vader

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    Except that the inference wasn't clear. :raspberry
     
  13. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    It was quite clear to the 3 people who read it and told me that they came to the exact same "mis-interpretation". :eek2:

    So we can now move on.
     
  14. Lord Vader

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    Hey! I can't help it they couldn't understand what they're reading. What about the 4 people who told ME they understood things perfectly. :p
     

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