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Lawyer gets suckered

Discussion in 'The OT' started by AntAltMike, Jul 18, 2010.

  1. runner861

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    Check my past posts. I never offered an opinion on whether the lawyer is innocent or guilty of any crime. All I said is that the perpetrator of the criminal act should be prosecuted. A victim can also be a suspect. A victim can be unsympathetic. A victim can exercise poor judgment. A victim can be naive. A victim can be "stupid." A victim can be unsophisticated. A victim can be a criminal. I don't know the full facts here, and I don't see how you would know, either, unless you are the investigator of this case. We don't know the circumstances under which the lawyer got involved. At one end of this thread, the lawyer lost a bunch of money. At the other end of the thread, he is the suspect who caused everything to happen. As for his ethics, I still don't know his ethics, and I don't see how you could, either.

    I don't know what happened here, you don't know, and what happened is not the point. This thread has been in the eyes of money a forum to laugh at someone else without thinking about the big picture. That is what I am trying to point out.

    Whether the lawyer is guilty of any crime depends on his intent and knowledge.
     
  2. James Long

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    Actually, derailing the thread to talk about "the bigger picture" when the topic of the thread is lawyers who are falling for a simple check cashing scam is the problem. It seems that every time someone points out what we're really talking about you take the opportunity to change the topic.

    We understand that scamming people is wrong. Duh. Even a lawyer should understand that. Perhaps it is normal for a lawyer to make a quarter million dollar profit laundering money for international clients. I believe most people in this thread would consider that transaction a scam. But regardless of the legality of the lawyer's actions he acted "stupidly". He was out of his league and got burned.

    There are people who know how to handle international financial transactions without getting burned. The lawyers being caught up in this crime should be referring their potential clients to qualified individuals instead of taking the risk with their own and clients money.
     
  3. runner861

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    Really? So what do you really want to say on this point? What is the thread really about? Go ahead, say whatever you want, don't be deterred by me.

    I didn't realize the thread was "lawyers" who are failling for a simple check cashing scam. I thought it was one lawyer. Are there more?
     
  4. James Long

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    There have been two news quotes in this thread ... including the very first post which included the line (from the article):
    Lawyers are being targeted. If you are one or know one be aware! (Apparently these particular criminals have decided that lawyers are a good mark for this kind of scam.)
     
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    Well, I certainly agree that these scams are outrageous. Some call them sophisticated scams, although I am not sure if sophisticated is the right word. I wonder, how many of these phony emails does a scammer have to send out to get one bite? And how is the scammer getting the mailing list? I imagine there are many sources for the mailing list.
     
  6. James Long

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    From the Washington Post Article (about Bradley Schwartz, who stole $1 million in client funds before getting caught up in the email scam):
    Other than the separate issue of bilking funds, this one seems to be more straight forward. As a retainer the money should have been available for the lawyer's use. We don't know how much of that check was "overpayment" and needed refunding (the usual tact of this type of scam). Mr Schwartz had ethical problems long before being offered this "easy money".

    I gave my opinion of the "sophistication" of this scam early in the thread ... it is an old trick that has barely been updated. Accepting worthless paper and giving it value. Trusting those who have earned no trust ... and losing.
     
  7. Richard King

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    He was sentenced last week to 30 years (a life sentence for someone his age) in prison.
     

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